The issue is with opportunity and the gravity associated with the "option" to murder someone.

This is all speculation of course, but I would imagine that even if one or more officers thought about killing SA, it would still require a considerable step to actually talk about it with others.

My guess is (assuming there was ever a plot to deal with SA) they were simply keeping tabs on him with no concrete plans to do anything other than gather information on him and hope they caught him slipping up. Whether one or more of them thought beyond that, who knows?

Anyhow, something happened related to the T.H. incident that delivered them an opportunity. I and others speculate on that above.

Just like any plan, the execution would have a lot of holes, but given the prosecution was essentially working with them (with or without knowingly being involved in the original plan) they had a lot of opportunities to plug holes- such as "find" evidence weeks and months later or to generate "leads" from Brendan.

Killing SA does not absolve LE from their crimes in 1985, nor does a successful framing for murder as evidenced by the settlement that occurred while SA was in jail.

This article is fantastic and thoroughly invalidates or calls to question the methods used to claim the bone fragments were those of TH.

Griesbach is a low rate prosecutor in Wisconsin. Most of what he writes is just dumb. He is like the Skip Bayless of Wisconson law.

Is he still working as a prosecutor?

Well I defended Knox in that thread too but maybe I was trolling or maybe foxy knoxy is pure and innocent.

Well since if did stop the civil suit it's easy to see how. Magically after being arrested they settle for a few hundred thousand which he needs to defend himself from the murder charge. Since that is exactly what happened we need not speculate on how it might have worked, we actually know how it did work.

I would add that since there is zero evidence the department cleaned itself up after the first Avery case that any ongoing civil suit would have uncovered a lot of the ongoing bad practice and negligence the department likely continued to participate in and I'm pretty sure most in the department knew that would be trouble for everyone in the department back then as well.

I personally don't think the lawsuit was a big part of what happened. I think incompetence, gross negligence and a couple bad actors with outrageous ambition was all that was needed in the set of circumstances.

Although the civil suit probably led to leadership in the sheriffs office and at the county level being more than happy to turn a blind eye to anything because it did benefit them to do so.

The intrinsic problem that seems to plague each guilter ITT is the simple inability to assimilate data or willing invalidation of certain data to arrive at a predetermined conclusion.

I can tell by the rhetorical questions above that you have refused to assimilate data regarding the investigation. Of course, the answers to your questions above will all be favorable to you and your theories. However the answers to questions similar to those above that INCLUDE ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION will not be favorable. Example:

Your method:

Q: Are you saying that if you were a police officer investigating a murder case and you found out that one of your suspects had an outstanding lawsuit with key depositions scheduled for the following week, that learning that fact would make you less likely to pursue that person as a suspect?

A: No.

My method:

Q: Are you saying that if you were a police officer investigating a murder case and you found out that there is no crime scene, no DNA, no legitimate murder weapon, an unacceptable DNA test performed by a Crime Lab technician who received orders from investigators as to what results she needed to find, investigators coerced, falsified and outright lied to get a confession from a 15 year old in order to strengthen their case AND one of your suspects had an outstanding lawsuit against the very same LE agency that is conducting the investigation for murder with key depositions scheduled for the following week, and that every piece of evidence that implicate SA was "discovered" by the very same people that have already been deposed and were not even supposed to be a part of the investigation, and that there are at least 3 other viable suspects, one of whom is an ex-boyfriend with no real alibi and questionable actions just following the disappearance...that learning that fact would make you less likely to pursue ONLY that person as a suspect?

A: Damn Right.

Don't you find it odd that our side can ask you the exact same question and simply change the "was planted" to "wasn't planted"? This question should not be able to be reciprocated at all or the presumption of innocence has long been removed.

Main difference is we can pile on about 10 x as many questions regarding circumstances surrounding this **** show of an investigation.

You made that up. That is not a thing.

Yes, of course the county would still have to pay the deductible, and probably any amount above the $5 million coverage.

This was not the end of the world (or county) however.


Just to be clear, the individual defendants would be indemnified by the county, since all parties (individual defendants, the county, and Avery) agreed the defendants had acted under color of law and within the scope of employment. This means the individual defendants would not be on the hook for the potential financial judgment and would be covered by the county.


True.
Before Avery murdered a young woman, the settlement offered to him was supposedly $1m.
He ended up settling for $400,000 from the county (covered by insurance, of course).


That they ever would is merely speculation.

The allegations had, of course, already been investigated by the WI DOJ who found there to be no intentional wrong-doing.


Agreed. As said above, the settlement offered to Avery before he had committed murder was supposedly $1m.


I'm sure the individual defendants, Manitowoc County, and LE had a much better understanding of their situation then than Oski does now.


As Oski remains on my ignore list, it's likely I won't see any response from him.

For more information on why the lawsuit motive is ridiculously overblown, one can read some reddit threads here, including a Q&A with someone claiming to have been a civil defense lawyer on the case being discussed.

Lol. I kept a journal as a young teenager. I always assumed my mom would find it and read it. Thus, I wrote it with that in mind. A compete work of fiction.

Why do you keep saying there is no crime scene? She was killed in the garage, that is where the bullet was found and also where BD confessed to helping his uncle clean the floor with bleach.

You also say there is no DNA (wrong), no legitimate murder weapon (bullet matched Avery's gun), investigators coerced a 15yo to bolster their case (BD's confessions were not used in the Avery case so they had no part in convicting SA... and he was never even a suspect until his cousin went to her school counselor).

The lawsuit is a total red herring and has zero to do with a young woman's murder, but I guess Strang and Buting were able to convince some TV viewers, if not the jury.

Lol still using Brendan confession as a fact when a judge and 90% of people who read or watched that confession and said it was bull**** is hilarious.

http://fox6now.com/2016/09/09/attorn...n-dassey-case/

Press Release (PDF): https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/de...sey_Notice.pdf

Notice of Appeal (PDF): https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/de...eal-Dassey.pdf

Docketing Statement (PDF): https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/de...ent-Dassey.pdf


https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-rel...sey-v-dittmann

AG Schimel Files Notice of Appeal in Dassey v. Dittmann

MADISON, WI – Today, Attorney General Brad Schimel, on behalf of Warden Michael Dittmann and the State of Wisconsin, filed a notice of appeal in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin in Dassey v. Dittmann.

On August 12, 2016, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin granted Brendan Dassey’s petition for writ of habeas corpus. The State of Wisconsin will appeal this decision to the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. Per the magistrate’s decision, the Court’s order is stayed pending the outcome of the appeal.

“We believe the magistrate judge’s decision that Brendan Dassey’s confession was coerced by investigators, and that no reasonable court could have concluded otherwise, is wrong on the facts and wrong on the law,” said Attorney General Brad Schimel. “Two state courts carefully examined the evidence and properly concluded that Brendan Dassey’s confession to sexually assaulting and murdering Teresa Halbach with his uncle, Steven Avery, was voluntary, and the investigators did not use constitutionally impermissible tactics.”

“The Halbach family has been notified of the appeal and fully supports the State’s decision to seek justice on behalf of their daughter.”

I guess I'm in the 10% but it doesn't matter because his confession was not used in SA's trial anyway. There was so much other evidence (including the bullet in the garage) that is wasn't needed.

And the few people that don't think it was bull**** are ex Da that suxed so hard that they lost their jobs like Nancy grace or Ken kratz

Very interesting. So your position is that in any criminal case in which the accused states "I was framed," regardless of the evidence, the accused should be found not guilty?

And kids that's how the Da office lost any opportunity to be reached by phone for months. I didn't think they would dare to appeal that lost battle congrats to tax payer who will foot the bill for that joke.

If you have some combination of a third party attempting to frame him and some suspect procedure by police.

Not surprising but good news nonetheless. Glad to see a public official who is more concerned with justice for a brutally murdered young woman, than the popular opinion of a bunch of armchair detectives.

I get what you mean, and it even sounds like it might be a reasonable possibility when kept vague.

I was looking for a detailed theory though, because it's when we get into the actual details of the theory you suggest where the whole thing quickly becomes the most unlikely series of events in history IMO.


Someone else somewhere else puts it better than I do:

"Does anyone have a theory on how the frame job was carried out? There's a lot of evidence to explain- bullet, blood, car, keys, license plates, bones in two different barrels, hood latch DNA. And it matches his actions- he was seen using the fire pit and burn barrels where evidence was found, he had a recent cut on his right finger that matches where the blood was found. The cops would've basically needed to have surveillance on him and kill Teresa themselves.

And what if he went back inside after their meeting and started calling people all afternoon? What if he went back to work like he usually did? What if he ran out for gas or food? There was huge risk he'd spoil their whole plan by giving himself an alibi. What if Teresa got back on her phone after their meeting and called someone saying she just finished work and was heading home? There'd be a witness that she left the meeting alive.

It was incredibly risky to plant all this if they weren't watching Avery on 10/31 and therefore sure he didn't have an alibi, and even if they were watching him, at any point he could've done something that would give him an alibi like deciding to go back to work. Would they just dump Teresa's body if he did and try again later? Is there any theory on how the frame job was pulled off that takes all the evidence into account? (this is my biggest question for truthers, been asking for 9 months to no avail)"

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https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/de...eal-Dassey.pdf

AG Schimel Files Notice of Appeal in Dassey v. Dittmann

MADISON, WI – Today, Attorney General Brad Schimel, on behalf of Warden Michael Dittmann and the State of Wisconsin, filed a notice of appeal in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin in Dassey v. Dittmann.
On August 12, 2016, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin granted Brendan Dassey’s petition for writ of habeas corpus. The State of Wisconsin will appeal this decision to the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. Per the magistrate’s decision, the Court’s order is stayed pending the outcome of the appeal.
“We believe the magistrate judge’s decision that Brendan Dassey’s confession was coerced by investigators, and that no reasonable court could have concluded otherwise, is wrong on the facts and wrong on the law,” said Attorney General Brad Schimel. “Two state courts carefully examined the evidence and properly concluded that Brendan Dassey’s confession to sexually assaulting and murdering Teresa Halbach with his uncle, Steven Avery, was voluntary, and the investigators did not use constitutionally impermissible tactics.”
“The Halbach family has been notified of the appeal and fully supports the State’s decision to seek justice on behalf of their daughter.”

Jerome Buting ‏@JButing Predictable AG decision. No elected Wisconsin official ever chooses justice over politics. Truth will prevail in the end. #FreeBrendanDassey

Shaun Attwood ‏@shaunattwood .@BradSchimel are you proud of keeping Brendan Dassey behind bars? why prolong his suffering? are you the new @kenkratz ? #MakingAMurderer

Innocence&Injustice ‏@Reform_Justice Outrage today over Wisconsin AG decision to extend Dassey process Duffin decision not likely to be overturned

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ad-burning-car