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Originally Posted by lkasigh
Okay, maybe I should go back to where this whole discussion came from. One document in the Avery case seems to show Halbach's car as having been taken into evidence on Nov. 3.
The two theories under discussion were that it was a typo and that the police actually collected the car on Nov. 3, checked it into evidence, checked it out of evidence, planted Avery's blood in it, and planted it on Avery's property. I said that the typo is far more likely because typos are extremely common, while conspiracies like the one proposed are extremely uncommon.
Just to clarify, the specific features of the proposed conspiracy that I think make it virtually impossible are:
- it would have been unequivocally a malicious plot to frame someone the police knew to be innocent (as well as cover up the real circumstances of Halbach's death) - such plots are very rare - wrongful convictions happen, but almost always due to errors and tunnel vision, not malice;
- it would have had to have been launched literally within hours of Halbach being reported missing - it is inconceivable that anyone could have had enough information at this point to know that Avery was a strong candidate for framing (specifically, whether Avery had an alibi, whether witnesses placed Halbach elsewhere that day, whether forensic evidence in the car would come back to someone else);
- it would have had to have involved many people as active participants and many more as witnesses who would have seen something amiss - no one has ever come forward;
- there was no conceivable motivation for it - Avery being convicted of another crime wouldn't make his lawsuit against the county disappear, the county had insurance that would have covered a settlement, and none of the people being personally sued were involved in the Halbach case. Even assuming that there was some animosity toward Avery among the police department, it wouldn't have been a strong enough motivation for officers to risk their careers and personal liberty by committing multiple felonies.
I asked for examples of similar conspiracies. I got stuff like the Manhattan project and corrupt DAs abusing their power.
The only one that was vaguely similar was a convicted killer who alleged that the police drenched him in animal blood.
Because you presented this case as if it was a documented case of framing rather than an accused trying a desperate defense, I wondered if maybe you had a prejudice against law enforcement that was causing you to look at things less than objectively. That's why I was asking you if you knew of any cases where the accused alleged framing but was actually guilty - to try to make you aware of this possible prejudice.
The documentarians didn't set out to make a documentary about every day occurrences. This case is completely unique in many ways. OBVIOUSLY the occurrences that took place are not normal.
However,...
There is an overwhelming amount of evidence both physical and circumstantial that point to a framing, corruption and lies. In fact, when Zellner presents her case and new info comes to light, this will go down as one of most ridiculous investigations that has ever taken place.
You bring up the word "malicious." While malice may be a part of the equation, it is self-preservation that is the dominating factor here. LE's motive to do what has been done to SA is so incredibly obvious, it's amazing it goes completely unacknowledged by the guilters ITT. At the same time, a motive for SA to perpetuate this crime is completely absent and in fact, the motive to NOT commit this crime at watershed moment in his life is evident.
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- there was no conceivable motivation for it - Avery being convicted of another crime wouldn't make his lawsuit against the county disappear, the county had insurance that would have covered a settlement, and none of the people being personally sued were involved in the Halbach case. Even assuming that there was some animosity toward Avery among the police department, it wouldn't have been a strong enough motivation for officers to risk their careers and personal liberty by committing multiple felonies.
This is utterly false. Your claims here have been thoroughly debunked 8 months ago. I will leave it to you to do your own research on the subject but just consider that SA was arrested for the murder of TH just days before the 2 most important individuals from LE implicated in the 1985 framing and continued, knowing false imprisonment of SA were to be deposed. We will never know the full extent to which LE and certain individuals would have been held accountable and YES, all or some of them had their personal assets and careers at risk. It's just waaaaay too convenient of a time for SA to phone order a murder victim for no apparent reason other than "well, he's a monster." It's like you have convinced yourself of this in order to fill a giant void in this story so that it's okay for LE to do what they've done.