The only scenario that is not completely insane where Avery is not the actual killer is if someone else in the family did it. They know that he had a bonfire so they burn her body somewhere else on the property after that night and dump it into the pit later on and then wash the key of the car they moved and then rub his jacket onto the key to get his dna on the key. This would explain the key having been scrubbed clean previously. Cockburn finds the key. Then Lenk planted blood in the car unrelated to everything else.

But Avery says he saw her drive away so at some point she needs to stop and get killed before exiting the property.

Both Steven and Brendan said they saw her drive away. There was also a truck driver who reported he saw the vehicle leaving the area. So the last time anyone who's talking saw Teresa she was headed away from the Avery property. We don't know if she returned alive.

Maybe someone else in the family did have some kind of grudge against Steven and framed him - knowing the police would trip all over themselves to focus on the guy.

It's clear the narrative of the coerced Dassey statements aren't accurate- no blood or DNA where Teresa was supposedly gang raped, stabbed, and shot multiple times, etc.

Since we have very good evidence that Steven stayed close to his house, and no real evidence that the murder was committed there, it's pretty obvious Steven Avery had nothing to do with it.

why wasnt the truck driver in doc?

Film makers were biased against the defense, obviously.

Because he saw an SUV that he thought might have looked like TH's, driving in a direction away from the Avery residence. He didn't see the driver at all and was unsure of the model of the car. Not exactly iron-clad evidence, nor would his testimony be compelling television.

I know Occam's razor doesn't play well with most itt, but seeing as how her car, bones, blood, and keys were found on SA's property... it is far more likely that the driver just happened to see a random greenish car go by, that had nothing to do with anything.

Using Occam's Razor, can we determine the odds that an SUV that looks like Teresa's just happens to be seen leaving the Avery Salvage yard way out on Avery Road at the time she is reported leaving is not hers?

Do we have any reason to imagine there were several blue/green SUV's driving away at that particular time and place on a Monday afternoon?

Sure, coincidences can happen - but the remote location would seem to mitigate against the likelihood there were.

Well seeing as how both TH and her car were found on SA's property, where she was last seen... your choices are that the truck driver saw a random, somewhat similar car... or someone killed TH someplace else, burned her body, drove her car to a corner of SA's property and dumped it, placed her charred remains in SA's burn barrel, and planted blood, DNA, and other physical evidence.

Like I said, Occam's Razor. It's not exciting but the truth often isn't.

Who saw her at Avery Salvage? It was the same guys who saw her leave, wasn't it?

There's no crime scene found at Avery salvage, so there's a good indication wherever she was killed it was somewhere else.

We can't use this Occam's Razor to cut out inconvenient facts.

Finally someone applying Occam's Razor to this case correctly.

And speaking of coincidences, this supposed murder took place:

Agree.

So you are literally saying someone in power angry about lawsuit did it? I mean that's pretty insane.

There are just too many unknowns for any theory of the case to be 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.

Oh really?

Just about every gangster film i.ve seen centre's around some1 in power committing a murder, directly or indirectly.

And most murder cases are the same i.e. some1 on a power trip with something to lose, thinks murder or setting up a murder is a reasonable play.

I believe that the A.G. is trying to use the Halbach family as scapegoats by asking them advice/input on B.D. so either way (appeal or not) he can say we did our best to convict B.D. & fought the good fight but he got out on a glitch in the system, with the lawyer brother explaining to all members that they could fight but it will be futile.( I believe the Halbach's will appeal & drag it out )
With a few MCSD taking the blame for the **** show off a investigation, or something something the science was not available to us at the time. And by that they prob get a better budget coming forth for training & science stuff, lol politic's & more tax's for the community.

Stay safe out there.

Incoming........

http://wislawjournal.com/2016/08/23/...ng-a-murderer/

So is almost every nonsensical conspiracy theory that assumes SA's innocence even though her burned body was in his yard. Along with a mountain of other evidence. All of which pointed to the inescapable fact that he killed an innocent young woman because he's a violent, misogynistic sociopath.

It's pretty amazing how a documentary can manipulate otherwise reasonable people into throwing away their common sense.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/

Lol come on man. Her burned body was found in the guy's yard, in the same place he just happened to be having a bonfire the night of the murder. In a place that was the victim's last known whereabouts. Owned by a creep who specifically requested she be the one sent to his house. On a lot where her car was found, covered up and obviously trying to be hidden from view.

If you honestly think she was killed somewhere else and then dumped in poor old Steve's yard, you should probably never serve on a jury.

I believe one of the main issues in the doc. was the coerced confession of Brendan.

Are you saying the federal judge did not rule on the merits, but was rather persuaded by the documentary into "throwing away" his common sense?

I understand you have taken a strong position against the doc. as propaganda, but your position has diminished considerably (even though you don't seem to acknowledge such) once a Federal Judge has ruled the confession inadmissible - you know, just what the documentary was suggesting.

If it comes down to credibility, the documentary has certainly scored more points than you have.

fwiw weren't her burned bones were also find down by the lake and in a burn barrel in the back of his in-laws house.

If he hid the key in his bookshelf, why scrub it clean of TH's DNA? That only makes sense for a third party to do.

No one but her killer(s) know when she was murdered. Indeed, no one knows how she died.

People in the US sometimes have bonfires on Halloween. Steve even invited people over that night. Not a good time to host a murder, unless he expected everyone in the neighborhood to be OK with him killing someone and implicating them in the crime.


There's some doubts who was the last innocent person to see her. Was it the truck driver who saw her drive away from Avery's? Or was it the woman that saw Teresa taking pictures on the side of the road?

Smooth move to let everyone know that the person he supposedly intended to kill was coming over. During business hours at a place open for business, with customers, family, and friends coming and going all night.

Yes, some days later the car was allegedly 'found' there, in a place where anyone could have parked it and ineffectually placed a few bits of debris against it.

Why not? Should we keep people who are too smart off of juries and only have idiots decide the fate of those accused?

Yes, it appears Teresa's bones were found in several locations. It appears this is an indication the bones were moved from wherever the body was burned.

Yes, the story of the spare key all by itself is reasonable doubt.

All indications are that it was planted where it was 'found'.

Innocent young woman...

All young people I suppose are innocent.

SA never murdered anyone in his life. In the middle of depositions and on Avery Freedom Day, he suddenly decides to kill someone with an accomplice on his own property. He knows he is a suspect, yet leaves the victim's car on his property and goes on vacation.

They certainly both may be guilty. Incredible rush to judgement that tarnished everything. If it was handled properly, nobody would be talking about this 10 years later.

My post was my opinion on how the State will handle the Federal ruling.

I agree on what you wrote. I have read and watched the "confession" and it is absolutely coerced. I think a great strategy would have had him confess to a multitude of crimes like he killed JFK and fictional characters to show how susceptible he was.

I think the "defense" attorney and his "investigator" should both be tried civilly and criminally for their abhorrent breach of duties. Every person deserves the right of defense. None more than a 16-year old with an obvious mental impairment.