now that I can read this thread DAT MOOSE is not allowed to post in OOTV again. Can't believe nobody notified on his blatant trolling.

Few more thoughts now that I'm not on my ipad and distracted by football.

Danes, Lewis and Patankin acted their asses off, just fantastic. Danes especially sold the manic breakdown incredibly.

The finale bothers me because it's just too much "have your cake and eat it too". Felt too much like SoA, where the story all moved in one direction, and the gymnastics they had to go through to keep the story going just felt too forced. Especially when you get to that point where the only way the story moves forward is because people are forgetting things.

The basic terrorist plot hinged on a lot of things going very right with both Brody and Walker. Especially if some of Brody's early hesitation on a variety of things is to be believed to be true. They could fill in some of the blanks, but it feels somewhat too convenient.

The actress who plays Brody's wife is just amazingly beautiful. I really loved most of this show, and for all it's quality- I think she still might have been my favorite part.

I'd listened to Sepinwall and Feinberg discuss this show before I'd seen it, and in retrospect, holy **** did Sepinwall butcher some things. Not just in terms of his own speculation, but in terms of what the audience was supposed to take away from the show. His assumption after the cabin ep was that the audience were supposed to believe Brody hadn't turned. WTF?

This. So now we have to watch Carrie figure out Brody for at least the first half of season 2? I already watched her do that for 12 episodes. So frustrating

Hm I quess I am the only one who found the last episode the most tense episode.

it was tense and would have been fantastic as a movie, but i couldnt help but know in the back of my mind "theres no way they are killing the main character in season 1"

I had had the show spoiled for me, so I didn't get tension out of the last ep, but I also can't imagine that I would have had much. The show wasn't going to kill the guy (just seemed obvious to me that storytelling wise, his wasn't close to over)- and that's part of what I thought the ending was weak.

This is pretty much how I feel. The acting, especially by Danes, was incredible but the conclusion killed the show for me.

Thats true, I knew before it already started that there was no way he was gonna kill himself. But I thought he was gonna say "Allah Akhbaar" and than press the button. But imagine how they would respond in that room when he would say that and the bom didn't explode.

It would have been great in a movie... If they blow him up.

Lol yeah, good for him that he didnt try to pull something like this off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bIRP...eature=related

Anyways, really enjoying this show so far.

also why not have the sniper shoot the VP, everyone else is still going to get rushed into the safe room and you at least get someone big if something goes wrong with Brody

I'd also like to know how the magic cell phone that calls the secret service works.

I assumed that was a saferoom thing - it was just for the VP. Or perhaps it's more certain to work than a sniper shot is.

pure speculation but maybe protocol is different if a high profile target gets shot?

or maybe nazir was more about the mass murder/one fell swoop message.

i'm grasping for straws here

I can see an argument that if the VP is still alive and the shooter is active, they're not as careful about who ends up in the safe room (where cell phones work!!) and why.

Very non-revealing bit about Season 2, but I'll spoiler it anyways:


I am really looking forward to S2, and I feel like S1 will prove itself extremely rewatchable in another couple of months when the episodes have blended together a bit more in my mind. I hope S2 reveals more back story about Saul and Carrie leading up to 9/11.

To be really nitty but I would imagine that killing the vp from a suicide blast in a secure room would be more psychologically beneficial than a sniper shot. Killing a high ranking official by gunshot has been done a lot by nutzos. Also there could be some easily written back story of abu changing the target after brody gives a spoech about wanting personal revenge on the vp for the kids death. It doesn't bother me too much that the vp wasn't snipped.

I'm the hipsterest for abandoning ship befoar any of you, right when they gave me the black marine as terrorist somehow in America in contact with his wife

this is just like Weeds and Community falling off a cliff once the writers blew their wad and then had to basically go into the realm of magical fantasy

The more I think about the finale, the worse I think it was.

And I'm certain the writers had no clue where they were going w/ the show.

Does anyone ever write a long saga and then make it into a show over 5 seasons ie Game of Thrones?

I don't know of any TV show in history that was written more than a season in advance.

I also don't know that much about the subject at hand so I'd like to hear of some.

seems like a bad comparison since game of thrones has a whole series of books already written to use

I think Joss Whedon planned out 5-6 seasons for Firefly and Dollhouse but for the most part no one plans out further than one season.

The Flash Forward showrunner did have a 5 season plan.

Brody had it in for the VP. Surely he wanted to personally do the job on him.

The Wire pretty much had the whole story arc mapped out and themes for each season established (I'm pretty sure, but if I'm wrong someone here will know).

I think Milch had his longterm plan for Deadwood.

A bunch of Brit shows like The Office wrap up in a fashion that it seems the writers had the whole thing planned.

I think that'd probably only apply to BBC shows because they have less pressure to produce great viewing figures due to the license fee.