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View Poll Results: GOAT TV Drama
The Wire
135 33.92%
Breaking Bad
135 33.92%
The Sopranos
57 14.32%
Mad Men
7 1.76%
Game of Thrones
22 5.53%
Friday Night Lights
2 0.50%
Lost
13 3.27%
The Shield
7 1.76%
Deadwood
13 3.27%
The West Wing
7 1.76%

10-05-2013 , 03:12 PM
The West Wing by a lot. FNL I've never watched, but heard great things about the first season. TWW has 4 of those, then an okay season, followed by a good season, then ending with a really good season.
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10-05-2013 , 03:13 PM
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Are you talking to yourself? Did the personal change your last post refers to involve insanity?
The confused face denotes my confusion as to your preference of a 1-10 rating system for someone's completely arbitrary personal rating, when 1-100 allows for a much more specific completely arbitrary personal rating.

Last edited by Clare Quilty; 10-05-2013 at 03:19 PM. Reason: 1-1000 would, of course, be even better
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10-05-2013 , 03:18 PM
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The West Wing by a lot. FNL I've never watched, but heard great things about the first season. TWW has 4 of those, then an okay season, followed by a good season, then ending with a really good season.
I love TWW, but it has a few too many Network TVish moments for me to put it on top.

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E.g. the episode where Bartlet defines "shibboleth" to the staff, and then the Chinese Christian comes in and ends his little speech with "shibboleth."


In terms of writing, of course, Sorkin bows to no man, but there is a hovering specter of patness about it that I think damages its claim to the throne. Still, probably as good as a network show can ever or will ever be.
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10-05-2013 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Clare Quilty
The confused face denotes my confusion as to your preference of a 1-10 rating system for someone's completely arbitrary personal rating, when 1-100 allows for a much more specific completely arbitrary personal rating.
I rate this attempted derail a 1.0854*103 on a 1-to-1-vigintillion scale.
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10-05-2013 , 03:40 PM
That doesn't seem like a very good rating :/
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10-05-2013 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Clare Quilty
I love TWW, but it has a few too many Network TVish moments for me to put it on top.

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E.g. the episode where Bartlet defines "shibboleth" to the staff, and then the Chinese Christian comes in and ends his little speech with "shibboleth."

I would always skip those kind of moments on rewatches, but on first watch, they're fine. The one you listed didn't do anything for me, but some of the others did.
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10-05-2013 , 04:09 PM
Man, there is no 24? wtf?
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10-05-2013 , 04:15 PM
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Yeah I might be a bit off but I don't remember so many great episodes on 5b. It obviously has the best episode of the series (ozymandias), but I think you are being a bit recency biased.
To'hajiilee, Ozymandias and Granite State were three of the best BB episodes and one of the greatest sequences of epsiodes of any show. Ep 1 of 5b also one of best BB episodes.

Throughout Season 5a people complained about lack of direction and felt it suffered from not having enough episodes to do a proper standalone season, or not having enough material to justify a single 16-epsiodes arc. I can't see how anyone can argue 5a>5b.
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10-05-2013 , 04:27 PM
justified obv not near GOAT. however it is def elite and one of the shows i most look forward to each week.

also to people dismissing FNL it really was a phenomenal show. tho the final season was a lil disappointing.
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10-05-2013 , 04:33 PM
Sopranos vs. BB vs. MadMen vs. Wire is a matter of preference. Each show is strong enough to argue it is goat, and each has arguments against it being goat.

Sopranos was groundbreaking, Gandolfini was incredible (as great as Cranston was, I think Gandolfini's performance was most impressive ever on TV) and although it probably has the most weak episodes, it also has about a third more episodes than BB or TW.

TW really suffers from S5, unless you are judging on peak vs overall, in which case it's hard to argue against it.

MM getting no love in poll, but in terms of critical acclaim it's been neck-and-neck with BB all along.

Deadwood wasn't on long enough to be in the same league as BB, S, TW and MM, espeically since some things, like the thespians introduced in S3, don't have a chance to go anywhere and don't make much sense with the show cancelled before they could be developed.

FNL was great if you pretend season 2 never happened and was a dream of a dying Walter White. Justified is uneven, but season with Martindale was as good as anything.
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10-05-2013 , 06:03 PM
Supporting cast of sopranos underrated itt
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10-05-2013 , 06:05 PM
Breaking Bad and Sopranos were the only two shows that I had like physiological reactions to. Happened during Sopranos in Whitecaps, Breaking Bad like ten different episodes. Whitecaps is the best episode of TV ever.
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10-05-2013 , 06:20 PM
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Highest sustained peak enjoyment: BB.

Favorite for sentimental reasons (during adulthood): Texhnolyze.

Favorite for sentimental reasons (during childhood): 24. (It hasn't held up.)

Most "intellectually stimulating" in-universe elements: N.A. I've yet to be suitably impressed on this level--but that isn't why I watch TV/film anyway.

Most "intellectually stimulating" craftsmanship: the top tier is all pretty close imo, but I'll give the two-way nod to Deadwood/GoT because of the added difficulties that fantasies and period dramas entail.
I'll replace that N.A. with Mad Men. So elite.
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10-05-2013 , 06:27 PM
Most stimulating in-universe elements has got to be GoT.

Tons to pour over in that world.
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10-05-2013 , 06:29 PM
No way Deadwood and Rome are better
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10-05-2013 , 06:38 PM
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Most stimulating in-universe elements has got to be GoT.

Tons to pour over in that world.
I thought the world of Carnivale was interesting as ****
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10-05-2013 , 07:52 PM
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No way Deadwood and Rome are better
I really have to watch Rome. I agree Deadwood beats GoT, ainec.

Anyone that doesn't love Deadwood should really watch it again, imo. I just don't understand anyone not thinking it is GOAT level, tbh.
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10-05-2013 , 08:05 PM
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Most stimulating in-universe elements has got to be GoT.

Tons to pour over in that world.
There isn't enough character depth on the show. 10, 1-hour, episodes isn't enough time to develop the 20+ important characters on the show each season.
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10-05-2013 , 09:10 PM
only thing stopping deadwood from being GOAT imo is its short duration (and even with that handicap its in the conversation and def top 5).
had it been 5 seasons of the same quality it would be undisputed champion of the world.

dialogue, acting, directing etc was all elite and Al was without question the GOAT character ever.

the original boss, even tony s couldn't compare.

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10-05-2013 , 09:42 PM
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only thing stopping deadwood from being GOAT imo is its short duration (and even with that handicap its in the conversation and def top 5).
had it been 5 seasons of the same quality it would be undisputed champion of the world.

dialogue, acting, directing etc was all elite and Al was without question the GOAT character ever.

the original boss, even tony s couldn't compare.

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This ********** knows what he's talkin about!
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10-05-2013 , 10:29 PM
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ok i'll bite, and maybe i missed it as i'm skimming to avoid spoilers:

iggy - why have you not seen s5 of the wire?
Just never got around to it. I heard like 15 different people say the 5th season was the worst season, and I didn't like The Wire quite as well as most people did anyway, so I never got around to watching it. I keep telling myself I'll get to it at some point, but I had other shows I wanted to catch up on first, and now it's been like 3 years since I watched Season 4.
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10-05-2013 , 10:32 PM
Game of Thrones easy
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10-05-2013 , 10:43 PM
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Breaking Bad and Sopranos were the only two shows that I had like physiological reactions to. Happened during Sopranos in Whitecaps, Breaking Bad like ten different episodes. Whitecaps is the best episode of TV ever.
As far as just being affecting emotionally, I think The Ride is the episode that gets me most. Even on rewatches, it makes a couple tears run down my face when Christopher breaks down and keeps repeating "I can't do it Tony" (about killing Adriana). Whitecaps is definitely an incredible episode though. Wouldn't argue with anyone who said it was the best of the series.

As for being physiologically affected in a tense sort of way where I can't sit normally in my chair the way like I was for a lot of Breaking Bad, the Homeland Season 1 finale is the one that affected me the most. I was discovering new nervous tics about myself I didn't even know I was capable of. BTW, this whole physiological effect thing is a big reason why I think Seasons 2 and 3 of Breaking Bad were so much better than Seasons 4 and 5. In Seasons 2 and 3,that was happening to me almost every other week where I was so tense watching the episode that I could hardly breathe. The last 2 seasons it didn't happen once. I just couldn't take it seriously any more once Gus let Walt and Jesse live after they killed Gale. It was "James Bond danger", not real danger from then on.
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10-05-2013 , 10:55 PM
I want to rewatch The Sopranos S4 to Finale because I remember 1-2 seasons being pretty shtty in that span, far from the quality of s1/s2 and even s3.

If I could go back and watch all the shows again for the first time I would watch in order

The Wire
Deadwood
BB
MM
The Shield
LOST
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10-05-2013 , 11:00 PM
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Yeah I might be a bit off but I don't remember so many great episodes on 5b. It obviously has the best episode of the series (ozymandias), but I think you are being a bit recency biased.
This might make me sound like a snob, but I kinda feel like you're bad at watching TV if you think Ozymandias was the best episode of the series. That was an awful episode. We spend 59 episodes on the descent of Walter White into a hardened, immoral, criminal mastermind. It's the entire point of the series. And then Ozymandias comes along, and whoop, how about we make him into more of a naive hero than he was in the pilot, as he tells the Nazis where all the money is, pretty much guaranteeing he'll get himself killed on the 0.01% chance it will save the brother-in-law he's always resented who's trying to send him to jail. COME ON! That was terrible! Like Lost finale bad. Just because there's a knife fight with Walter Jr. and Skyler later, that doesn't make up for the ruination of the character the entire series was built around. Dude just whacked 10 guys in prison and put a hit out on Jesse, and now all of a sudden he's Saint Walt, the poor naive soul who doesn't understand how the real world works? That was awful.

Fly was a great episode of television. Gray Matter was a great episode of television. Cancer Man, Peekaboo, and Negro Y Azul were all great episodes. Phoenix is probably the greatest episode in the history of television. Ozymandias is like they took the same actors and directors and let Vince Gilligan's 10 year old kid take a shot at the writing. It was a joke, and I really don't understand how anyone can watch Breaking Bad and put that episode on the same level as some of the elite stuff they did early on in the series.
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