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07-01-2015 , 09:29 PM
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RIP

Sick episode. I think Sangmin's line here is heavy FPS for no real benefit (though if they keep letting you get away with it, go crazy) but for making good TV he is just in his own dimension. So incredible.

I love that it's Junseok and Kyunghoon, the two least distinguished players in the cast, who trainwrecked the game for everyone. As soon as they teamed up with Yohwan and Yoonsun you knew it was doomed to fail. They certainly justified their presence on the season in a big way.

Everyone is delivering in some way IMO, only exception is Yeonseung but it's only the first episode and there's a lot of time.
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07-01-2015 , 09:35 PM
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Do we really still need to use spoilers, maybe a genius s4 thread that is like every other tv show thread, once it airs fair game.

Thoroughly enjoyed the opening ep very glad this thread was created
s4 thread would be nice.
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07-01-2015 , 09:46 PM
S4E1 Main Match strategy talk:

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Is it just me, or does this seem like a game where, if there are two clear sides, it could be good to be a free agent? I feel like you could probably go like, trade with team A, trade that card with team B, etc. If you get the Convict card traded to you, you can trade it unofficially to the opposite side that you got it from to fool them (since they couldn't check it without trading), or trade it officially towards the end to get the +2 if you trade with a commoner and hopefully the +3 for last Convict trade. Additionally, if you have a specific target in mind this early (say, Junseok wanting Jinho out), working with both sides could give you a lot of options to get the Convict and give it to your target. I think an issue to be aware of is the 1 official trade with each person limit, but you should be able to track that decently.

If not by yourself, maybe a small 2 person alliance in the middle could work so each person could keep tabs on one side and they can make a bunch of unofficial trades between each other to get cards to swap sides.

The main problem arises if everyone turns against you once you have the convict, which could happen if they are all playing fairly conservatively; however all it takes is 1 Sangmin who wants the solo win to use the convict to gain points for themselves.



I really would like to see this game play out some different ways but it could be kind of annoying for a host to run, and it would be different outside of the Genius setting where there is no incentive to get 1st or even any points.
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07-01-2015 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wontoo
not really spoilers but on 1st ep s4
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happy with new format. can't have yohwan donkeying his way to the finals. also happy with 2 players in the 1st death match and loser clearly was outsmarted
Unless you somehow have access to English subtitles faster than Bumdidlyumptious posts them, can we not be posting any results from episodes in here -- even in spoiler tags -- until the episodes are up in English? I played it safe and didn't click until after I'd seen the premiere but given the general use of spoiler tags in here, I could see a lot of people clicking that and feeling spoiled way beyond what they thought they were getting into by clicking a spoiler in this particular thread. If no one else is concerned about it I'll pipe down.
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07-01-2015 , 10:34 PM
I'll create a S4 thread if that's the consensus? The spoiler rule wouldn't be in effect for that thread.
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07-01-2015 , 10:37 PM
S4E1:

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Sangmin could have the whole world believe Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman. He crushes the social game so hard.

Last edited by bazooka87; 07-01-2015 at 10:37 PM. Reason: :thumb: to S4 thread
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07-01-2015 , 10:42 PM
np. i'll probably wait for the subtitled one from now. not the same when it's just gibberish to you.

maybe should we have this rule about discussing episode after english version comes out in the new thread? personally don't care, but just so everyone is clear.
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07-02-2015 , 12:29 AM
S4 thread here (no spoiler tags)
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12-23-2015 , 07:52 PM
Just finished S2E5 (yeah I'm way late to this party but GOAT show):

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LOL at picking boxer and having the game be a new one: LASER ****ING CHESS. What a bad beat. He was so in his element playing a 1 on 1 strategy game.
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12-23-2015 , 08:55 PM
it really is the goat
nothing is even remotely close
i am super jealous you have so much ahead of you still
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12-23-2015 , 11:10 PM
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i am super jealous you have so much ahead of you still
The show has a lot of re-watch-ability. I'm just finishing my first re-watch of S2 and it's been amazing. Salivating at the prospect of diving into S3+S4 again soon.
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12-23-2015 , 11:14 PM
SHOW IS NOW THE WOAT: (SEASON 2 EPISODE 7 OR 8 I DONT EVEN KNOW I MAD):

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Short stacked indian ****ing holdem???? And on top of that, he has nut low vs nut low on hand 1, they get it in, and it's no chop and just a flip? That is how the GOAT goes out? Before battling his rival in laser chess or something just as epic??? I actually didn't realize how much of a jinho fan i was but that was so sad.

/TILT

On an unrelated note why in these kind of competitions do they always agree to start with some equal stack? Is it some Korean honor thing, because it's weird to me. I would have expected them to just give Jiwon a bunch of garnets and jinho none so he was a big favorite to lose, but they never do this.
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12-23-2015 , 11:51 PM
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On an unrelated note why in these kind of competitions do they always agree to start with some equal stack?
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This isn't always the case. Pretty sure in one of Jinho's poker DMs in S1 they have unequal starting stacks. I'm ok with giving an advantage to the player with more garnets (though I'm guessing the producers in S2 weren't banking on 1 garnet vs 0 garnets).

But yea, watching the no-chop rule was infuriating. Having an unusual rule (relative to standard poker rules) that inflates the luck factor seems inconsistent with a lot of the show's skill-based principles. On the other hand, Jinho likely knew there was a good chance that it was nut-low vs nut-low, and he made his own risk-reward decision.
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12-24-2015 , 09:55 PM
Season 3 episode 2:

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Holy **** Yongsuk is gonna be a monster, I can feel it. Did not see that coming, he just intimidated everyone into giving up whether they went rock/paper/scissor, casually tested out ties then BOOM, utilized the strat to the fullest. Thought he was a ****** when he was playing mafia and gave up that he was the criminal leader lol, but he is gonna be a political to be reckoned with. Hungmin is also gonna be a monster, he played village leader perfectly.
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12-29-2015 , 12:44 AM
fmk - after you finish season 4, move straight into Crime Scene season 1 and 2. Same translater bumdidlyumptious did that show as well. It's like a live version of werewolf, or I guess more precisely, like watching a murder mystery dinner - but Jinho is one of the players in both seasons, and you'll recognize some others as well.
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12-29-2015 , 02:46 AM
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fmk - after you finish season 4, move straight into Crime Scene season 1 and 2. Same translater bumdidlyumptious did that show as well. It's like a live version of werewolf, or I guess more precisely, like watching a murder mystery dinner - but Jinho is one of the players in both seasons, and you'll recognize some others as well.
Holy ****, RW, long time, no see

Hope everything is well.
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12-29-2015 , 11:36 AM
moved, new job, less free time at work, more free time overall - so good trade.
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12-29-2015 , 04:22 PM
are there any english dubbed versions out there or just english sub versions?
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12-29-2015 , 04:55 PM
Just subs
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12-29-2015 , 06:29 PM
I like the subs myself

I'm actually planning a Genius day near the end of January. As mentioned before, the format is actually quite versatile for doing something like this - everything except the actual eliminations. I've decided to combat that with "strikes".

Depending on the game, both immunity tokens and strikes are given out. Strikes are cumulative, cause players to lose all accumulated garnets, and heavy emphasis will be placed on their significantly negative impact during the final game - one where individuals get eliminated one at a time. However, immunity tokens (rarer than strikes) can negate or remove a strike. I'm not all that concerned with the impact on alliances or game integrity, as this particular group of people won't ruin the game by pouting about losing or intentionally sabotaging it because they have 2 strikes.

There will be 5 games plus the elimination game - 3/2/1, the election game, zombie game, the king game and food chain. These games were selected based on: a. their ability to moderate them as one person; and b. a minimal emphasis on hardcore math or logic puzzles. Although I love games like Gyul Hap and Open-Pass, there is little social interaction in them. Games like Stormy Stock Market and Middle Race are way too logistically involved for me.

The elimination game is a card/dice game I made for the competition with similar characteristics to the dice game shut-the-box. I'll playtest it before to get the kinks out. As an aside, I wish I had the wherewithal to make a board or computer program for the picture hunt games, because it would be perfect. Maybe next time.

I haven't decided the order of games yet: I think 3/2/1 has to be first due to the 'simple' strategy to get people accustomed to the game mechanics (plus if only for that specific second it's realized that there isn't an even number of cards!). I'm thinking that the king game is the weakest of the 5, and that the election game will really initiate the inter-personal communication. I dunno if the zombie game and food chain are too similar to have back to back, and I want the food chain to be last (as I think people will be shocked at how many people will fail at it - but I can account for that by adapting the rules in the elimination game). Any thoughts? The length of the games will be altered slightly to fit them into a rough 8 hour timeframe.

The goal of my game isn't really to find the "Genius" - but more to watch everyone go on monkey tilt and have a great time. I've run a similar-ish game twice before (a more task-oriented version of The Amazing Race), and everyone always talks about the individual games they enjoyed (or sucked at) the most. I'm most excited to see how the interaction and strategy will differ when played by smart, but not brilliant, normal people - that, and seeing how 12 people solve not-so-common scenarios.

I'll be updating this after the game is over as well. Everyone is pitching in $20 and the winner will get it all. I have printing "privileges" at work, but if I decide to get decks of cards printed the total cost will probably be around $100.
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12-30-2015 , 07:13 AM
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I'm thinking that the king game is the weakest of the 5, and that the election game will really initiate the inter-personal communication. I dunno if the zombie game and food chain are too similar to have back to back ... Any thoughts?

The goal of my game isn't really to find the "Genius" - but more to watch everyone go on monkey tilt and have a great time.
Maybe replace zombie or king with the "have 5 people form a straight" game from S2E2? Feel like that one would be a blast to play (and requires minimal prep).
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12-30-2015 , 08:24 AM
grando1.0

that sounds awesome, I wish I was one of your friends or that I could convince my friends to do something like that

have any of them watched the show?
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12-30-2015 , 09:42 AM
I'll have to rewatch the straight game. I actually thought it might be dumb, but you're absolutely right in that it's easy as balls to set up. My main concern is that the time it takes is pretty variable, but I'll definitely check it out.

I mentioned something about watching this Korean show to one of my friends but he wasn't too interested in watching.

I have ordered personalized cards online - set for 123, animal cards for food chain, human/zombie cards, and specialized color cards for the elimination hand.

It's times like this I wish I knew a lick of graphic design. I essentially made a name for the game, stole a related logo online, and am in the process of finishing the rules that will be spoken verbatim before the games. I also plan on having then on the wall. I can develop the 'script' later on.

I'm thinking of having a main TV Chromecast with whatever power point the particular game needs, a secondary TV with a continually updating garnet (I have blue gems and want to think of another name) count via tablet, and a backwards-timer clock. The house I'll be using has a front sunroom - a perfect place for the secret dealer stuff to happen.

The funniest thing is that, out of all the stuff I need to procure, poker chips (which I have already) are the most expensive. I need to think of something else that has 12 colors and around 25/color.
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01-18-2016 , 03:24 AM
Just an update: the game will be happening this upcoming Saturday. The 12 players will include 4 women and 8 men. All 4 women have their SOs playing, and there are 4 additional guys. Everyone has at minimal a cursory knowledge of each other, but not enough to pre-determine alliances. One of the girls hates one of the guys (lol), and there's a 50% chance one particular couple breaks up over the game, so there should be some hilarity.

All the PowerPoints are done. I decided to use text to speech to have a British guy narrating the rules like bandage man does, and just outright stole the song to indicate the beginning of a new game.

I've got the slides to exactly where I need them - I just need to tweak them during the games so that real time results (eg numbers of zombies vs humans) can be displayed. The seat exchange one will be a pain, but whatever.

I also created a sane number hunt game on PowerPoint for the final two. Google was quite helpful, and it looks really sharp.

Everyone has name tags and jewelry bags with Cylons (the currency). Additionally, strikes will be indicated with a black and red special name tag, while immunity tokens are blue butterflies I found at a craft store. I also got lucky - the craft store had little vials that zombie cures can go in.

I've also created special ballots as necessary for each game with logo on them. I feel the branding and atmosphere is pretty important, so I've tried to continue with a specific theme.

The only stuff I'm waiting for are the specialty cards. Everything has been play tested, so all I need to do is set up the house/Chromecasts and buy/make a mid sized black ballot box type deal. If the cards don't come in, I'll have to print off similar ones the day before. That'd be the worst.

All in all I'd guess it's taken around 30 hours of prep and around $150. That's not including watching the show of course. My main concern is length of time - but the overall theme of the game is very party-like anyways, so I'm hoping it won't be an issue. I'll try and get some pictures.
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01-18-2016 , 03:31 AM
I decided on 321, election game, zombie game, seat exchange, food chain, shut the box (my game) and same number hunt hu. For 321 the dealer also gets 9 cards. Zombies are 9 humans and 3 zombies. Food chain I took out one of the 4 communal prey animals. Otherwise rules are pretty similar.
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