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06-01-2016 , 09:32 PM

#8476

Dominic

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What is all this time travel crap? Bran is having visions, he ain't ****ing time traveling. The Hodor "hold the door" thing is Hodor being influenced by the strength of those visions.

This is Dr. Who.

Ffs

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06-01-2016 , 10:17 PM

#8477

Kirbynator

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influenced by the strength of those visions eh?

scientific explanation if i've ever heard one

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06-01-2016 , 10:29 PM

#8478

darO

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Looks pretty influenced to me.

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06-02-2016 , 02:03 AM

#8479

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

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Originally Posted by NoAGame

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aerion_Targaryen

Just one example

Ah of course, Brightflame. Thanks for this.

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Originally Posted by KansasCT

There were many crazy targs. There's even a part in the show or books where they list all the crazy things they have done. Like the dude who tried to drink wildfire because he was a dragon and wouldn't die or the one who tried to hatch the eggs by sitting on them.

I guess my theorising is based on those being made up or modified stories as they have been passed down. A common theme in the books is the unreliable narrators and story tellers.

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06-02-2016 , 02:04 AM

#8480

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

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Originally Posted by KansasCT

King*Baelor the Blessed*was overzealously obsessed with religion and purity, to the point that he starved himself into an early grave because he believed that food is of this world, and the material world is sinful.

Prince*Rhaegel, older brother of King*Maekar, had massive delusions and was known to randomly take off his clothes and dance naked through the halls of the*Red Keep.

Prince*Aerion Brightflame, son of King Maekar and nephew of the also-mad Prince Rhaegel. Aerion killed himself drinking*wildfire, believing it would turn him into a dragon.

King*Aerys the Mad, nephew of Aerion. The infamous Mad King. Had violent visual and auditory hallucinations, as well as a near permament feeling of persecution, which drove him to execute anyone who slighted him out of fear that they were conspiring against him. Tried to blow up King's Landing with wildfire, believing he would rise from the ashes as a dragon.

Viserys, the Beggar King, second son of Aerys II, had delusions of greatness and would have frequent, violent outbursts of jealous anger towards his sister,*Daenerys.

Yeah this is a pretty valid set. I guess I was wrong, at least for the most part.

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06-02-2016 , 06:31 AM

#8481

NeueRegel

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Originally Posted by Dominic

What is all this time travel crap? Bran is having visions, he ain't ****ing time traveling. The Hodor "hold the door" thing is Hodor being influenced by the strength of those visions.

Obviously Bran's consciousness had to be travelling into the actual past if he was influencing it. He was not just having visions. Part of him was really there.

This wasn't Harry Potter sticking his face in a bowl.

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06-02-2016 , 08:17 AM

#8482

Bluegrassplayer

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There's not going to be a scientific explanation for wverybody, this isn't Lost.

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06-02-2016 , 10:06 AM

#8483

[Phill]

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Originally Posted by NeueRegel

But all he has done is skin walk into one person whilst in two time periods and get touched by the NK.

It is likely the thing that made it work was Hodor being both sides of the green sight whilst skin walked on one side.

He has tried to talk to others in the past and cannot really do so.

The only conclusion we can draw at this point is he can scramble the brains of someone he can skin walk into and communicate in some way with someone with magical powers - probably only in the present and maybe just the NK if there are no other trained green seers.

Hodor is probably just a one off and had unique circumstances. We won't see anything like it again.

The more i think about him changing the past the stupider it is as a theory. He completed one loop due to very unique circumstances only.

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06-02-2016 , 10:10 AM

#8484

KansasCT

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"he has tried to talk to Others in the past and cannot do so".
Wut? He can definitely whisper. Ned heard him and Theon also heard the trees. Since Bran hasnt mastered his skills yet I dont see how he cant make them hear him more clearly in the future.

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06-02-2016 , 10:38 AM

#8485

gausspoker

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last ep horrible scenes wtf

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06-02-2016 , 11:07 AM

#8486

Namath12

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Been reading up on Dunk and Egg, stuff seems really interesting and cool

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06-02-2016 , 11:36 AM

#8487

KansasCT

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Only read the first Dunk n Egg story. Is the second on the same level as the first?

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06-02-2016 , 11:49 AM

#8488

[Phill]

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Originally Posted by KansasCT

I didn't capitalise others fwiw.

I don't believe this is possible. Why should 3ER be dismissed?

The whole "people feel like someone is there but dismiss it" with astral projection, ghosts and the like is a fairly standard trope.

End of the day if Bran can change the past it makes literally everything in the story meaningless. That is so far beyond jumping the shark, its jumping the shark whilst riding a shark and juggling other sharks.

We also can presume he can't change the past because he hasn't changed the past already. Hodor always had scrambled brains because of the greensight warg cross circuit. Bran was merely fulfilling destiny, not altering what already existed. Dried ink on the page etc.

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06-02-2016 , 11:54 AM

#8489

KansasCT

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"Others" was my ****ty autocorrect.

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06-02-2016 , 11:58 AM

#8490

Kirbynator

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

End of the day if Bran can change the past it makes literally everything in the story meaningless. That is so far beyond jumping the shark, its jumping the shark whilst riding a shark and juggling other sharks.

We also can presume he can't change the past because he hasn't changed the past already. Hodor always had scrambled brains because of the greensight warg cross circuit. Bran was merely fulfilling destiny, not altering what already existed. Dried ink on the page etc.

but it still means he time traveled to affect hodor, even if he cant change the past

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06-02-2016 , 12:03 PM

#8491

midas

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All these plotlines are getting ponderous. Does GRRM even know where/when they all get resolved?

It reminds me of a fantasy soap opera.

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06-02-2016 , 12:03 PM

#8492

Howard Treesong

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Originally Posted by KansasCT

Only read the first Dunk n Egg story. Is the second on the same level as the first?

Yep.

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06-02-2016 , 12:09 PM

#8493

riverboatking

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Originally Posted by KansasCT

Only read the first Dunk n Egg story. Is the second on the same level as the first?

all 3 are awesome

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06-02-2016 , 06:59 PM

#8494

GermanGuy

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The second one deals with a conflict that is decidedly smaller and doesn't have as big an effect in the history of Westeros, but that gives it Even more of that compact, rural DunknEgg feeling.
1 and 3 are Dunk stumbling into big politisc, 2 is more hedge knights gonna hedge Knight.
All of them are Great.

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06-02-2016 , 07:50 PM

#8495

Kirbynator

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grrm just doing sidequests and will never finish the main story

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06-03-2016 , 01:02 PM

#8496

Kneel B4 Zod

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speaking of fantasy / realism, if you guys really want to go down the rabbit hole, check out

http://poorquentyn.tumblr.com/

He talks about a lot of stuff, but one of his main arguments involve pieces such as

- Euron will end up being a major villian, taking advantage of the destruction The Others cause, one with huge Bran type powers
- He will summon and destroy the Drowned God, who is real
- A Doom of Valyria situation is coming to Oldtown, with about 5 Chehkov Guns all being assembled there

(note that this is mostly book related)

lots of crazy stuff that was hinted at in a World of Fire and Ice, such as old races of half fish/half man beings who built black stone structures all over the known world, water based magic, etc

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The eldritch apocalypse (or as Moqorro calls it, the “sea of blood”) is the end of the world, constructed as the skin-crawling magic-overload rise to power of Euron Greyjoy, culminating in him blowing the Horn of Joramun, bringing down the Wall, and letting the Others in. The basic idea is that the magical-hubris Chekov’s Guns GRRM set up in Oldtown in AFFC are essentially raw materials for what Euron wants most, his new Valyria…but not the Empire at its height. Rather, Euron is bringing to Westeros the Valyria he knows, the Valyria of the Doom.

What magical-hubris Chekov’s Guns, ya might ask? When you put together the Hightowers messing with ancient magic, the Deep Ones labyrinth at the base of their tower, the glass candles, The Death of Dragons, and the Faceless Man seeking it, when you then toss in Euron’s invasion of the city (which we see beginning in Sam V AFFC) and the Horn of Joramun (which Sam in that same chapter conveniently brings into Euron’s orbit)...

Dragonbinder and the Horn of Winter: Euron will use the former horn (via Victarion) to hijack Fire, and the latter (directly, at the climax of TWOW) to hijack Ice. “I say we take it all!” The Crow’s Eye will loom over the final books as both dragonrider and Night’s King, and the terrifying thing is he sees no contradiction there whatsoever. That’s his nature: the postmodern supervillain, conqueror of all ideologies and wells of power. So much so that I think GRRM’s going to have the Drowned God rise (having laid the groundwork with Patchface, Storm’s End, the squishers, and above all WOIAF’s black oily stones) just so Euron can demonstrate his metaphysical ambitions and contempt for his people by killing their god…and thereby replacing him. Or as show!Euron put it: “I am the Drowned God.”

Now, I’ve been speculating about this long before GRRM read “The Forsaken.” Which is why I’m so giddy that parts of that chapter sound like I damn well wrote them myself ...