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04-20-2011 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jawhoo
I wonder if GRRM is giving HBO info about where he's going with this and other things, to make sure they allude to them properly?
He is pretty involved in it, I think. He is listed as a co-executive producer and as a writer in the credits (on Wiki anyway) and it also says he's writing the script for 1 episode per season.
04-20-2011 , 02:52 PM
Sigh.
04-20-2011 , 02:54 PM
He played a pretty big role in making the HBO series so I'd imagine so.

I also read somewhere that if he were to have any untimely death all of his notes, outlines etc for the remaining books would be given to HBO and another author so they could finish out the series. He's had the entire story planned out forever, when he originally started the books he planned to end the first book with the Red Wedding. So I think it's very likely that is the case.
04-20-2011 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
he planned to end the first book with the Red Wedding.
jesus christ this is going to take a lot of books
04-20-2011 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jawhoo
I wonder if GRRM is giving HBO info about where he's going with this and other things, to make sure they allude to them properly?
He said on his blog at one point that he's told the writers a bunch of stuff from the final books so they know where the overall plot is heading, and can prepare as necessary
04-20-2011 , 03:51 PM
Should only take 7, although if he continues his current trend it will take a lot of pages. ADWD is around 1600 pages without appendixes, so by the time he gets to book 7 it might be 4000 pages long :P
04-20-2011 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
by the time he gets to book 7 it might be 4000 pages long :P
by my calculations he should be able to knock that out in 17-23 years.
04-20-2011 , 03:53 PM
lol a generous estimate
04-20-2011 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Should only take 7, although if he continues his current trend it will take a lot of pages. ADWD is around 1600 pages without appendixes, so by the time he gets to book 7 it might be 4000 pages long :P
I think he said somewhere on his "not-a-blog" that the 1600 pages is his word document. As printed pages it is going to be a little longer than A Storm of Swords, which is obviously long enough.

On Jon's parentage:
The most popular theory gets some hints in the first book, but I missed it the first time around (maybe because I was listening to the audiobook).
But there is one piece of information later on that pretty much gives it away.
Still some people will not find out about it on their own. There are things that are hinted at far more strongly in the books and are still overlooked. My favorite is always Ser Loras and Renly praying. I really don't see how you can miss that one.
04-20-2011 , 04:08 PM
If he really uses word, lol.

Amazon says 1200 pages for the hardcover. That works out to something like 1400-1500 for the paperback, based on the previous editions.
04-20-2011 , 04:15 PM
I missed the praying thing my first time around. It's just said in passing and I don't think it's THAT obvious. Stannis's comments to Renly make it pretty clear though.
04-20-2011 , 04:19 PM
I thought Theon was nicely scummy and evil in the show.
04-20-2011 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
It's myopic to think your personal experience of reading internet forums about speculative fan theories is normal for readers of the books, especially since that most of the support for that theory comes much later in the series. IMO, stuff like that has no place in a thread about the TV show which just covers the first book.
Don't jump to conclusions.

I have never read internet forums for speculative fan theories, nor would I expect the average book reader to do so, as that would be absurd.

This is something I thought about during my reading of the first book. This is a thread for people that have read the books. I would assume most would have picked up on the connection, but again I was not sure, so I thought I'd find out.
04-20-2011 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Loretta8
yeah, what Fly said. just because you're into going to internet forums and theorizing about what's gonna happen doesn't mean other people are. baffling that people don't understand this.
I admit, I am quite baffled.

Baffled that not one, but at least two, [likely more] people would assume that someone that has mentioned this theory had likely researched this book vs simply picked up on it from reading.
04-20-2011 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SL__72
If he really uses word, lol.
I'm not sure whether he specified the program,but he wrote that the number of pages on his computer was different than the one in the book.

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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
I missed the praying thing my first time around. It's just said in passing and I don't think it's THAT obvious. Stannis's comments to Renly make it pretty clear though.
Some other people (Tyrion, Cersei?) also talk about how believable it is that Margery remained a virgin in her marriage and even mention her brother in that conversation, I think.
04-20-2011 , 05:04 PM
GRRM doesn't use Word

He uses WordStar(?), that runs on DOS. He's had the same program since 1993.

NOW you can lol
04-20-2011 , 05:31 PM
Youtube video of a first time viewer:
http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/04/...s-for-thrones/

Some funny misconcepitons (he thinks Jon Arryn is Robert's father).Around the 8 minute mark he stars talking about Bran's death. What I would give to experience some of it for the first time again...
04-20-2011 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
GRRM doesn't use Word

He uses WordStar(?), that runs on DOS. He's had the same program since 1993.

NOW you can lol
I'm still trying to figure out what's wrong with word, but LOL at what you just typed.
04-20-2011 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GermanGuy
Youtube video of a first time viewer:
http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/04/...s-for-thrones/

Some funny misconcepitons (he thinks Jon Arryn is Robert's father).Around the 8 minute mark he stars talking about Bran's death. What I would give to experience some of it for the first time again...
Yeah I saw that the other day, pretty jealous of all the stuff the first-timers are gonna go through. Link to start of Bran part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UA8swJtPsQ#t=7m55s
04-20-2011 , 05:58 PM
What the heck to authors write in if it's not Word?
04-20-2011 , 06:08 PM
I think there are specil programs for people writing scripts. George even mentioned that when he wrote about "his" episode.
Otherwise there may be special programs that make layouting final products easier (including chapter icons, easier to adapt to page size etc.). But I would expect that mostly these would be publisher exclusive and able to import standard files.

Is there someone working for a publisher who can help out?
04-20-2011 , 06:26 PM
you can write your book however you want. I hear Neal Stephenson wrote The Baroque Cycle out in longhand. Scripts are different.
04-20-2011 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
What the heck to authors write in if it's not Word?
I'm sure many/most do.

I just would have guessed that in his case he'd use something more... nerdy.
04-20-2011 , 07:51 PM
It's cool how everyone in the other thread thinks that Bran is dead. Good ole' HBO's deceptive preview editing.
04-20-2011 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JuntMonkey
It's cool how everyone in the other thread thinks that Bran is dead. Good ole' HBO's deceptive preview editing.
Yeah, this could convince them that "oh, they'd never really do something like that." In that sense, it's a good thing. I think finding a balance between the suspense of the "is he/she dead?" and the relative rarity of major characters actually dying is going to be a big part of the show.

(Then again, many other shows are suspenseful without major characters dying ever. I can't wait until

Spoiler:
Sean Bean gets erased


and we can see the reactions.)

      
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