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06-12-2013 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
cant even remember who I just quoted! but hey.
You said something to the extent of not knowing any healthy person w/ a worse memory. I am that person. I'm kind of like the guy from Memento.


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Originally Posted by TheRempel
It's possible she's not reading them on purpose, as she may not want to inform her performance with stuff her character should not/could not know.
It seems to me that she't not reading them because she doesn't seem particularly interested in the story.
06-12-2013 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
But does she? What happens?

What is the most impactful thing you could imagine happening? Because there is nothing you can imagine that cannot be written around and replaced pretty easily.

There is no way Jaime is getting hung and then revived by Cat to be Jombie - and that is literally the only thing I can think of that requires her. Even just Jaime being killed by them can be written around pretty easily - Jaime goes on walkabout, gets Riverrun turned over by the Blackfish who escapes, Jaime travels back to King's Landing, Blackfish kills him on the Kingsroad with an arrow shouting from his cover in the trees "the Starks send their regards".
jaime doesnt need to be hanged. brienne is torn between honoring her promise to cat and doing what she thinks is correct. no one else in the story has the type of.relationship with her.
06-12-2013 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
You said something to the extent of not knowing any healthy person w/ a worse memory. I am that person. I'm kind of like the guy from Memento.
you have actived my trap card
06-12-2013 , 02:52 AM
Ye I was kinda pissed when I found out most of the actors havent read the books, but maybe not knowing what happens helps.

Alot of Stannis fans, which includes me, are not happy with his portrayal. He seems completely controlled by the red woman, when she jus changes her mind, and Stannis accepts. From what I remember he made that decision on his own after hearing Davos.

A few other scenes, like being hesitant to throw Robb's leach in the fire (books) and begging Mel to stay when she was leaving for BwB (TV)
06-12-2013 , 03:03 AM
Also theres nothing special or entertaining about that Lena Heady interview
06-12-2013 , 04:31 AM
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06-12-2013 , 04:34 AM
It's pretty standard for actors to not read the source material if they haven't already done so. You want to make sure they are following the adaptation first and foremost, because it could be quite different from the source. And you don't want to be confused about which one you are basing your performance on.

Also, I really have to read books 4 and 5 again. I don't remember Betic dying, either. :-/
06-12-2013 , 05:18 AM
Beric didn't die 'on screen.' IIRC, Thoros basically explained what happened to someone.
06-12-2013 , 06:09 AM
Yeah, but I really doubt that we get the uncat reveal the same way they did it in the books. Seems more likely for them to show her getting resurrected.
06-12-2013 , 06:33 AM
seemed more likely at least. i think that copying the books here makes the most sense because lady stoneheart does very little. if we were shown her getting resurrected now then the directors would have the difficult choice of what to do with her for however long it takes for brienne to finish up looking for sansa and for jaime to finish at riverrun. either they could show stoneheart killing a frey and then forget about her until that time or they could just have her kill a frey off every once in awhile. both options suck and it makes more sense to introduce the character much closer to when she is actually needed.
06-12-2013 , 09:34 AM
Just found out that in the foreign translation they use "terrible dog" for "dire wolf"

No need to reply to my earlier question, i got my answer. Will re-read in english again and try to read on medieval terms.
06-12-2013 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ...|...
Just found out that in the foreign translation they use "terrible dog" for "dire wolf"

No need to reply to my earlier question, i got my answer. Will re-read in english again and try to read on medieval terms.
I think you mentioned using an ereader in your previous post, my kindle's dictionary had almost all of the medieval armor/weapons/clothing/architecture words I didn't know (there were a lot of them). GRRM practically assumes the reader has a PhD in medieval history.
06-12-2013 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Meh I personally don't want Dany on the iron throne at the end. Would honestly rather have Illyrio.

Would prefer like LittleFinger, UnJon, secret targ tyrion, moonboy. Anyone but Dany.
But but but that stuff Jorah said about her having both the claim and the ability. Seriously though, I hope it's Tyrion somehow. Actually, as long as Arya survives I don't really care. I have a sickening feeling she'll meet some tragic end, however
06-12-2013 , 11:44 AM
The whole mother of Dragons things is pretty annoying.

If I'm a rich/powerful guy on that side of the world and I hear about dragons and this girl, I roll out with some mercenaries+slit her throat+take the dragons.

Her ascent was just so easy.
06-12-2013 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by The Morning
Ye I was kinda pissed when I found out most of the actors havent read the books, but maybe not knowing what happens helps.

Alot of Stannis fans, which includes me, are not happy with his portrayal. He seems completely controlled by the red woman, when she jus changes her mind, and Stannis accepts. From what I remember he made that decision on his own after hearing Davos.

A few other scenes, like being hesitant to throw Robb's leach in the fire (books) and begging Mel to stay when she was leaving for BwB (TV)
The leach in the fire stuff was in the book? I don't even remember that, thought it was a tv scene only
06-12-2013 , 11:58 AM
Reading that GRRM interview posted earlier ITT makes it seem like he has something in store for Dany. As he explained the whole reason that he killed Ned was because he was seen as the good guy who comes out on top in most stories. GRRM went on to say that he felt like he had to kill Robb for a similar reason, as he was seen as the one taking up the cause for the "good guys", and how most people would just assume he'd win out in the end because of that.

So I'd be surprised if Dany ends up on the throne in the end seeing as how she's being portrayed as being "good" and how GRRM seems to want to tell a story that his audience won't expect.

Personally my theory is that Tyrion will somehow wind up on the throne which I felt all along due to this one line from Game of Thrones(the book):
"When he opened the door, the light from within threw his shadow clear across the yard, and for just a moment Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king."

I believe Varys said something similar to Tyrion on the TV show in season 2 about a small man casting a large shadow. It just seems to me that GRRM would have had in mind who would eventually win the Iron Throne when he began the series and I don't recall any similar lines being used to describe other players of the game in book one. It's next on my to read list so I'll be keeping a close eye out for anything else.
06-12-2013 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Meraxes
But but but that stuff Jorah said about her having both the claim and the ability. Seriously though, I hope it's Tyrion somehow. Actually, as long as Arya survives I don't really care. I have a sickening feeling she'll meet some tragic end, however
My random live-die predictions:

I think Arya lives, but won't return to help rebuild House Stark/Winterfell like I expect Sansa to. Bran's path lies elsewhere as well, either north of the wall or somewhere else (I'll predict the God's Eye for the hell of it). Either way, much like Arya, his destiny is not to rebuild House Stark. That falls on Rickon under the guidance of Sansa (and Osha if she lives). Jojen dies in Bran's service (coming-of-age trope).

Barristan seems highly likely to die (in an Obi Wan/Dumbledore kind of way, right near the climax of Dany's coming-of-age arc). Jaime seems likely to die as the culmination of his redemption arc. And Jorah, whose arc is a bit of a hybrid between the two, seems likely to go as well. Davos is a tough call for me. Normally I'd say he seems destined for the redemption-then-death pathway, but GRRM likes to play it realistic with live/die decisions (supporting characters don't simply die/go away when they've served their purpose). I'll say he makes it.

I think Melisandre is toast (literally- my random hunch is that she gets roasted by a dragon, much the way Marianne got gored by her bull-God in True Blood). Cersei can't survive can she? Signs point to Jaime doing her in but I'm not sure exactly how this will go down. Margaery seems 50-50 to me, fading into oblivion being the preferred destiny. Varys is enjoying their presence in the capital so they should be safe from his cabal at least (this is actually a good way to evaluate the fate of any of the characters- "do Varys or LF have reason to want him or her dead?"). I have a hunch that Asha/Yara lives and ultimately becomes warden of the Iron Isles.

Something smells fishy with Loras's mortal wounding. I don't expect him to survive the series though (although this is fairly high variance; his living or dying is not terribly important). Same can be said for pretty much all the Tyrells. If Tommen is killed, or outed as a product of incest, the family becomes largely irrelevant. I hope the Queen of Thorns survives them all.

I'm a believer in The Great Northern Conspiracy, and I expect Martin to reward readers with some glorious revenge satisfaction. The north remembers. I'm trying to come up with a satisfying end for Ramsay. Who is evil enough to serve up some poetic justice? He's poked the Ironborn with a stick, maybe he'll end up in Euron's custody? Roose is gonna get head-spiked I predict. is Greatjon still alive? I think someone from that generation should serve Roose his justice (or Blackfish). Walder Frey? B w/o B lures him away from the Twins with some off-screen trickery and hands him to Stoneheart (or Blackfish).

Connington dead is a lock, and I think Young Griff is killed and/or outed as the false dragon. Tyrion survives. Sam lives and becomes a Maester. Victarion dies.

What did Cersei's Maggie the Frog prophecy say about her children? Do they die after sitting the throne, or just sit the throne? I hope Tommen and Myrcella survive and live somewhat happily ever after somewhere off the world stage.

Littlefinger dies. Can't win the game of thrones if you'll never ever quit while you're ahead. Varys. Hmmm. Who would kill Varys at this point? I'll say......he lives.

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06-12-2013 , 12:31 PM
Over 75% to die: Cersei. Mel. Stan. Littlefinger. Selmy. Ramsay. Roose. All Freys and Florents. Strong Belwas. Connington. Doran Martel. At least one sand snake.

50-75%: Jaime. Jorah. Loras. Victarion. Qyburn. Blackfish. Edmure. Euron. Grey Worm. Ilyrio Mopatis. Young Griff/Aegon.

Roughly 50-50: Osha. Asha. Jojen. Meera. Davos. Margaery. Gendry. Edric Storm.

25-50%: Dany. Arya. Tyrion.

Under 25%: Sam. Sansa. Bran. Rickon. Sansa. Hodor. Shireen. At least one sand snake.
06-12-2013 , 01:07 PM
Does each season follow each book? (5 books = 5 seasons)
06-12-2013 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hikertrash
Does each season follow each book? (5 books = 5 seasons)
s1 followed Book 1 pretty closely
s2 was pretty faithful to Book 2, but included things from Book 3
s3 is pretty much 65% of Book 3 with some other stuff thrown in - plus the show has taken some pretty decent departures from the books in some aspects.

In short if you want to read the books, start from 1, its worth it, you need the context from the books to follow the later on books, the show is not enough.
06-12-2013 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean Manifest
Sam lives and becomes a Maester.
I don't have many predictions for the rest of the story, but I think the one lock is that Sam becomes a full fledged wizard. He's going to have a major role to play.
06-12-2013 , 02:20 PM
and the old man wants to end this series in 7 books.

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06-12-2013 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean Manifest
Over 75% to die: Cersei. Mel. Stan. Littlefinger. Selmy. Ramsay. Roose. All Freys and Florents. Strong Belwas. Connington. Doran Martel. At least one sand snake.

50-75%: Jaime. Jorah. Loras. Victarion. Qyburn. Blackfish. Edmure. Euron. Grey Worm. Ilyrio Mopatis. Young Griff/Aegon.

Roughly 50-50: Osha. Asha. Jojen. Meera. Davos. Margaery. Gendry. Edric Storm.

25-50%: Dany. Arya. Tyrion.

Under 25%: Sam. Sansa. Bran. Rickon. Sansa. Hodor. Shireen. At least one sand snake.
what about theon? varys?
06-12-2013 , 04:47 PM
davos survives and acts as father to shireen as stannis dies seems like the right ending to his arc.

greatjon is alive and still held by the freys right now afaik.

Dany going crazy would be sick, then we need arya to kill her.
06-12-2013 , 04:52 PM
btw victarion is 100% confirmed to die before the ending of asoiaf.

      
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