and it remains to be seen whether it was a mistake or not for kaycee to evict angela. if she can beat tyler in f2, then it wasn't. it helps in the event JC wins hoh because it eliminates an easy person for him to take instead of her. tyler better at comps too and will almost definitely take kaycee. so she is maximizing her odds to reach final 2, and if she is correct that she will win f2 then evicting angela was right

im not saying thats the case, just that its possible. i prob would've evicted tyler if i was her. but if she beats tyler which she very well may, then there was nothing wrong with that move

the problem with juries is BB just has a 5 minute segment of jury q & a basically, when it used to be like a 2 hour pre-recorded thing like they do on survivor where they could actually explain their game. its such a crapshoot now because you don't have the time to lay out everything you did. so it changes what gets rewarded which changes how the game works, and probably makes it better to play a safer game where you don't make enemies. which sucks. i think tyler is way more responsible for the success of him/kaycee making it so far but itll be hard to showcase that to the jury. that doesnt mean the jury would be bitter for voting kaycee. it just means they don't really get complete information when they vote

what the **** do you care?

She played a fine game. But I don't think you can say she crushed the game when she was never in control of whether she got to final 2. She was at Tyler's whim on who he wanted to take. He had control of everything more than anyone on level 6 as he made better connections with level 6 individually, plus jc, and even some on foutte. She didn't make any mistakes except maybe evicting angela. But she didn't crush the game. She was taken to the end thanks to tyler. At anytime he said let's go with brett instead of Kaycee it would have happened, as he had the ear of angela and jc.

I'm ok with her winning as there have been much worse winners than her. In fact she not even a bad winner. And she's a nice/cool person. But since she wasn't in charge of any decisions on level 6 i'd rather see tyler or jc win. Plus while effective, her game was very boring and not fun to watch. Can't blame her as it worked to get there, but I like to reward people playing the game making decisions. Not their followers. It's like Cody beating Derrick in a final 2. Probably even worse than that as she was more like Beastmode cowboy(blind loyalty, never thinking about his, or her in this case, game. Just following what derrick wanted to happen.) beating derrick.

And jc while playing a very dangerous style of manipulation of foutte which they still don't fully know how bad he was lying to them. The fact he survived so long playing a dangerous and fun game to watch makes we want to see him win.

Tyler has better chance sitting next to JC

Huh? She won 5 of the last 6 vetoes. She was at no one's whim. you aren't going to be evicted if you keep winning vetoes no matter who may want you out (not that anyone did) She also had a strong social game. She trusted her alliance in mid-game when she was on the block and didn't freak out the way Rachel did. No one in her alliance ever seriously considered betraying her and is the most well-liked person of her alliance by the majority of the jury.

Think saying Kaycee played a "fine" game is super unfair.

First time in a long long time (ever?), I think I'm fine with any of the final three winning.

JC for the lol's...
Tyler for beasting the game socially, comp wins and game play
KC for comp wins, keeping blood off her hands and avoiding attention when vulnerable.

She was a follower. She happen to have the trust of the most influential person in the house in Tyler which allowed her to get to the end. It was on tyler's whim because he had the power to take her out if he felt like it. If he wanted to go with brett and jc instead of her and angela. Where she had no other direction to go as she never had any final 2 connections with anyone else from level 6 nor jc. She was close with angela too but not as close as angela was to tyler. Everyone was closer to tyler.

There's nothing wrong with playing like that so I called it a "fine" game. We are picking hairs between fine and good. I will say she played a good game. Just as good as cody and beastmode cowboy. She was just a loyal soldier. Should beastmode cowboy or Cody have won if they were in final 2 with Derrick? They would have deserved to win against Victoria obviously but never against derrick. Not that tyler is as good as derrick, but he's much closer to it than she is.

Also to most good game players comp wins are irrelevant in if you the best player. I bet if you asked Dr. Will or Dan who deserves to win more tyler or her they would say him because he was the directing the game instead of following. If comps wins mattered Dr. Will should never have to deserved to win since he never won anything.

JC has a ton of friends on the jury. He would beat Tyler easily imo

People are way overestimating JCs chances. Nearly everyone calls him annoying and if he was ever to give a final speech he would claim total control of the season which would make level 6 laugh out loud.

There is too much wrong here for me to bother replying except to say that you are completely undervaluing Kaycee's social game.

[PHP][/PHP] level 6 doesn’t control the jury votes. you are way underestimating how much the rest of the jury is annoyed by level 6 and wants them to lose

This has been the most entertaining season of BB in years, but NOT because of great gameplay. It doesn't take take great gameplay to sit back and watch half the house shoot themselves in the foot every week. Level 6 have played well for sure, but other than getting Kaitlyn to vote against Foutte in week 1, they mostly just had to stay out of Foutte's way and watch them implode.

The only thing that even comes close to being a "big move" was done by Brett and JC when they got Fessy to put Scottie up. Other than that the gameplay this season has been the BB equivalent of


Watching Scottie betray Swaggy C while wearing his shirt was not good gameplay. Watching Haleigh out herself as the hacker was not great gameplay. Watching Bayliegh reveal her power for no reason was not great gameplay by level 6. Her subsequent implosion at Haleigh's hacker reveal meeting was not great gameplay. Watching Block-star hand Tyler the OTEV win was certainly not great gameplay.

Even the civil war part of the game was screwed up by both Brett and JC. Brett should've realized he was the lowest on the totem pole in level 6 and fully committed to betraying them to Scottie, Haleigh, and JC.

Brett may have even been able to pull Sam into that side after she confessed her love for him. Granted she was not exactly mentally stable, and who knows how she would've reacted if told Tyler was lying to her, but it sure as hell beats telling Tyler "hey, so I was thinking of going after your best friend and your showmance next eviction."

JC was too busy stroking his own ego to realize he is not the master-manipulator he thinks he is.

If Foutte hadn't been so entertainingly bad, this would've been one of the worst seasons ever.

Brett was 0% responsible for Faysal putting Scottie up

Here's the thing with Kaycee and Tyler. There seems to be some indication that they are both content to go to the end with each other. Only one of them is correct to do so and I believe that is Kaycee. Of course, not that Tyler had any choice about the matter. Because no matter what he might have preferred to do, he has never been in position to take out Kaycee down the stretch here because of her kicking his and every one else's asses in the veto comps.

I would like nothing more than to root wholeheartedly for Tyler because I appreciate his game and like him as a person. He's very nice to look at. I've enjoyed him on my TV.

...But Kaycee has been really awesome in her own right. So I'm torn. Kaycee, Angela, and Tyler were in the same boat all along. They all interacted with the jurors in different ways. Angela really put their back hair up and failed in jury management. In spots where Kaycee was going to do what she wanted to do regardless of what the other side wanted her to do, she was a little more up front about it and I think the people who get voted out tend to have more of a respect for that approach than for how Tyler tries to patronize them all the way out the door.

Tyler has been great and people tend to really like him, but if he's fortunate he might end up sitting next to someone that has also been great and who might be just a little more liked.

JC has also been entertaining. He's a slippery little eel and played a good double agent. Granted you probably shouldn't play double agent on behalf of all the people who are going to be the most difficult to bust up and beat in the end. He was incredibly fortunate that he won the final 4 HOH. If he wins, then someone did get robbed. But it's not like he just sat there like a lump all season. He was integral in getting Faysal to put Scottie on the block...of course, not that it was ultimately good for his own game.

Tyler would be a top 6 winner of all-time. behind people like Will, Dan, Derrick, Andy, Hayden. Id put him ahead of Ian and Maggie.

Kaycee is above Evel Dick, and Rachel Reilly. you could sort her somewhere in the top 10-12 around Steve Moses, Nicole Frenzel range

in between the top 7 and top 12, you have people like Mike Boogie, Jun Song who I would put behind Tyler and ahead of Kaycee

Clearly you are an idiot.

+1.

True. But Kaycee specifically the one member foutte would vote for despite being on level 6. Because she didn't betray them as she didn't talk game with them. And she was nice to them. They don't hold it against her as they correctly feel she wasn't the decision maker on level 6. Just being a loyal soldier. So she was nice, not the orchestrator of their pain, and they have an excuse to vote for her without making it look like just pure bitterness by saying she won comps.

Jc has a chance against either for the reasons you say but I think he has a better chance vs tyler. I don't think it will matter though as I have a feeling going to be Kaycee and tyler final 2. I think they take each other and one of them will be the one to choose most likely as I can't see jc beasting the final comps.

For the Kaycee over tyler people while kaycee's veto run is impressive. Let's not forget before she went on her run tyler was winning most of the comps. So both comp beasts but one of them orchestrated the game while one was just a loyal soldier.

Was Tyler just blowing smoke at us in the DR when he wanted to vote out Hayleigh instead of Scottie that one week? It's the only time I remember when the threesome of Tyler, Angela, and Kaycee were not in total agreement about who to vote out. Soldiers marching to their own beat that week.

Unless Kaycee was not really trying to win HOHs, because of the blood and bitter feelings it causes.

I wonder who Tyler will pick to go with him if he wins final HOH? (for his best chance at half a million)

He always wanted haleigh out. He chose not to battle that one