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03-31-2015 , 08:58 PM

#1051

Banks2334

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Originally Posted by Dominic

The only small nitpick I might have with this show is that they are giving Mike too many speeches. They realize how great Banks is with them, so who can blame the writers for giving him more great words to say? But the little speech about being a good criminal or a bad criminal, while entertaining, smack of Mike being just a little too much Chatty Cathy.

I would say that the line by Mike was very important and people are not giving it enough weight. It is in essence what BCS(and BB for that matter) is all about. You can be a good person, yet still be a criminal and vice versa. Saul/Slipping Jimmy are criminals, yet one could argue good people. Mike is a criminal(dirty cop), but most would say an ok guy. After todays episode, the point could be made that although Chuck is not a criminal, he is a bad guy.

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03-31-2015 , 09:04 PM

#1052

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Originally Posted by Dominic

No no no. Once Chuck makes the phone call, it's obvious he will be the reason Jimmy gets shafted. The scene where Chuck is acting shocked at what Hamlin is doing is a bad acting job. By Chuck, not MM. He's not really upset with Hamlin. You can tell. It's especially obvious on rewatch. I caught it on first viewing, but that ending scene was still a gutshot.

I agree with this. For whatever reason, Chuck doesn't want Jimmy to be part of that firm.

Gonna be fun when Jimmy figures out his real enemy isn't Hamlin

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03-31-2015 , 09:08 PM

#1053

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Originally Posted by Banks2334

These are excellent points, especially the last. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Mikes speech...it just seems that he's gotten often chatty and philosophical for such a taciturn guy. Still great, tho.

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03-31-2015 , 09:09 PM

#1054

master3004

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Originally Posted by boscoboy

I agree with this. For whatever reason, Chuck doesn't want Jimmy to be part of that firm.

Gonna be fun when Jimmy figures out his real enemy isn't Hamlin

Did you miss the last ten minutes?

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03-31-2015 , 10:08 PM

#1055

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Originally Posted by Dominic

The neat thing about the setup is that even though Chuck's reaction seems too awkwardly delivered on first watch, you can write off the bad acting" to his condition. I did sense Kim's plea for Jimmy to take the deal was more complicated than Hamlin offering something or maybe blackmailing her, but didn't put it all together until the phone thing. Like someone said, what a punch to the nuts.

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03-31-2015 , 10:28 PM

#1056

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I thought it was pretty much telegraphed once Hamlin sighs and says close the door.

Good writing though in the sense that they have been hinting that Kim will **** over Jimmy to make partner to appease Hamlin - which is what he accuses her of... much more brutal for Chuck to screw him over like that.. I must say that this really does show us how Jimmy becomes Saul. Really great character detail/psychology of personality.

In this vain, we see how Saul becomes a good guy for bad guys lawyer.

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03-31-2015 , 10:29 PM

#1057

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Was the garage that Mike got picked up in the same garage that Gus was parked in when WW had the bomb set under his car? Looked familiar.

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03-31-2015 , 10:29 PM

#1058

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Heartbreaking episode, especially since the reality is that Jimmy has some great legal instincts and would most likely be a legitimate asset at HHM despite the liabilities he brings to the table. Even though I don't think this kind of angle with Chuck could have been predicted prior to this episode, it still made sense, which resulted in it packing a punch that was very strong yet fair.

And, the Mike stuff was entertaining while also advancing his storyline (and probably the greater plot) well.

Another strong episode in what's been a superb season so far.

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03-31-2015 , 10:31 PM

#1059

karamazonk

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Originally Posted by LondonBroil

Was the garage that Mike got picked up in the same garage that Gus was parked in when WW had the bomb set under his car? Looked familiar.

I had the same thought. I suspect it was.

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03-31-2015 , 10:34 PM

#1060

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Anyway, if Jimmy was expecting to become a partner right off the bat then lol him. His brother might have had a point with his "chimp with a machine gun" comment if that was the case.

Jimmy wasn't expecting to become a partner. What Chuck meant by "chimp with a machine gun" was that instead of becoming a criminal lawyer, Jimmy would become a criminal lawyer.

Breaking Bad spoiler:

Spoiler:

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03-31-2015 , 10:45 PM

#1061

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Originally Posted by Dominic

These are excellent points, especially the last. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Mikes speech...it just seems that he's gotten often chatty and philosophical for such a taciturn guy. Still great, tho.

Mike is the Silent Bob of BCS.

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03-31-2015 , 11:10 PM

#1062

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Originally Posted by FeralCreature

I suddenly thought of this old Mr Show sketch featuring Bob Odenkirk and Michael McKean, set in law school, coincidentally.

This was a great sketch (and a parody of The Paper Chase, which I'm kind of surprised hasn't been reference on BCS, it's right in Jimmy's cinematic wheelhouse). Apple butter farm is hilarious by itself.

One of the subtly submerged emotions in that final scene is jealousy on Chuck's part that Jimmy is naturally funnier than he is. It adds an extra dynamic into their fraternal relationship, but especially given that they're both comic actors (and McKean was the funniest character on the great underrated HBO comedy Dream On- whose run overlapped slightly with Mr. Show's) it adds an interesting meta-dynamic, too.

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03-31-2015 , 11:56 PM

#1063

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Chuck is a standard White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP) that can't stand seeing someone get something they might not "deserve." And the WASP is of course always the final arbiter of who is deserving or not deserving.

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04-01-2015 , 12:15 AM

#1064

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enjoyed episode a lot, thought the big guy running away was super weird tho

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04-01-2015 , 12:44 AM

#1065

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Interesting that Vince said on the podcast they didn't decide Chuck was against Jimmy until breaking episode 7. Up until then the plan was always Hamlin being the bad guy. Kind of less fun knowing that.

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04-01-2015 , 12:52 AM

#1066

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Originally Posted by scratchy1

It's rare I believe a director discussing his intentions afterwards, but here I do since its shock effect was a result of it being out of sync with the story.

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04-01-2015 , 01:29 AM

#1067

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Didn't see that coming from chuck at all. Damn.

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Three partners: Hamlin, Hamlin, McGill.

That's not how medium and large law firms work. HHM has three named partners - and who knows how many equity partners with voting rights.

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04-01-2015 , 01:39 AM

#1068

CubicZirconia

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Originally Posted by crashjr

Didn't see that coming from chuck at all. Damn.

That's not how medium and large law firms work. HHM has three named partners - and who knows how many equity partners with voting rights.

Furthermore we can infer from the dialogue that there are at least 4 partners. During the meeting at the HHM office between Chuck, Jimmy, Hamlin, and the other employees, Hamlin states: "the partners and I discussed..." He clearly isn't including Chuck in the group of partners who discussed something, which means that if there were only 3 partners, there would only be one other non-Chuck partner to discuss something with, in which case he wouldn't say "the partners and I," he would say "myself and the other partner," or something similar.

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04-01-2015 , 04:19 AM

#1069

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Originally Posted by LondonBroil

Was the garage that Mike got picked up in the same garage that Gus was parked in when WW had the bomb set under his car? Looked familiar.

I thought the same thing right away.

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Originally Posted by Dynasty

Has it been stated who the other Hamlin is?

I've been wondering this as well. They're always talking about Hamlin as if he's the only Hamlin.

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04-01-2015 , 05:01 AM

#1070

Dpc5807

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Originally Posted by Tuma

"Chimp with a machine gun." Ouch.

Lol "Slippin Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machine gun." Best line of the series. I love when they call him Slippin Jimmy.

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04-01-2015 , 05:07 AM

#1071

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One would expect the other Hamlin to be Howard's dad, no? Chuck may have started the company with him and he is now either deceased or retired. Plenty of room for a back story there still I suppose.

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04-01-2015 , 05:34 AM

#1072

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Originally Posted by legend42

oh yeah, jealousy. that is a great ingredient into the mix of that scene. i wonder if the writers/director told the actor to be jealous, or if the actor added it himself. or if it was considered so obvious that the actor is expected to put it in without anything having to be said.

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04-01-2015 , 05:49 AM

#1073

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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking

It's rare I believe a director discussing his intentions afterwards, but here I do since its shock effect was a result of it being out of sync with the story.

I think I read some things like that about BB too. It's amazing to me how they seem to build up to these massive plot twists and then afterwards are like 'yeah we hadn't really planned that.'

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04-01-2015 , 07:16 AM

#1074

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I didn't really think it was out of sync with the story. I like that while the beginning and ending of a show may be planned, the writers can let their imaginations fly and the nitty gritty details come as the story develops. That's how life is. It isn't all planned out. It's chaos.

One thing that I always thought was being planned out in BB but never happened was Marie becoming a professional thief and possibly joining Walter somehow. I was disappointed it never happened.