this

neither is going anywhere unfortunately. minaya was given a 3 year extension during the second collapse in 2 years and you know how much leeway minaya gives his managers when he signs them to a contract

He hasn't had the chance. The starters have been putrid.

Yes Feliciano was a mistake, but Feliciano wasn't going to be facing a lefty there anyway, Garcia would have brought in Paulino. But I do agree that Paulino <<<<< Cantu so gotta pitch to Paulino. Green just gotta perform.


Warming up relievers and sitting them happens much more often then you would think on all teams.


This is Minaya's fault for handcuffing him with Sheffield imo.

I can't believe all the energy people waste focusing on managerial moves. That stuff pales in comparison to the terrible starting pitching.

It's also wrong to get exercised about the relievers, who have been quite good for most of the season.

Lets come off the cliff:

i dont think manual is any better than howe

"This is Minaya's fault for handcuffing him with Sheffield imo."

i liked and still liek the shef signing. we should have signed manny, but didnt. shef doesnt have to start much. he could have sat murphy (which he is finally doing once in a while now).

i am convinced that most of you mets "fans" would be complaining regardless of how the team performs

its baseball. its 162 games for a reason. every team gets hot, and every team gets cold. please dont bother arguing with me on this, i really dont care to get into it

the starters got off to a rough start, but maine and pelf already have shown improvement. the hitting with risp is sickening, but it will improve

im as angry as most of you are. but you guys complaining constantly is just as tilting, it effectively compounds our frustrations and makes us all more angry.

seriously the grand majority of you guys need to shut the **** up

smig, obviously would not be any issues right now if the team was 14-7 but they are not. Moreover, these issues would not be as magnified if the team didn't choke balls the last two years, people keep saying it's only 20 games in april blah blah blah, that is true to an extent but our anger and frustration is more to do with how the team has played over the past 350 games.

smig i bet you said the same thing last year

and the year before

maybe if your location didnt say oliver perez for cy young we can believe your being unbiased or rationale

just sayin

Saw this piece in the player news section of my Sportsline league:

New approach? He already was throwing live batting practice. Every fifth day.

*rimshot*

from metsblog

MetsBlog reader Bobby K points out, again, the Mets are now 0–7 this season during the final game of a three-game series.
Similarly, the Mets had a lead in eight of their 12 losses. Meaning, if they just split the difference, the team could be 13–8. Ugh.
Wait, there is more…
According to WFAN’s Boomer and Carton Show, the Mets have left 173 men on base in 23 games, or roughly seven per game.
Lastly, the following was sent to me by MetsBlog reader Derek R:

“In the 11–month span of games from June 2007 through today, the Mets are 151-141. Take out a brief two month boost from new manager Jerry Manuel last season, and the Mets are 112-122.”

In other words, as Derek pointed out, that’s nine out of the last 11 baseball months the Mets have played ‘underachieving baseball.’


point is, they are really not that good, and didnt do enough in the offseason to improve and become good.

they are not unlucky. they are just mediocre.

and as much as im bitching about manuel, cause he has been awful this year, the blame squarely lies on minaya

In defense of ramon castro

nice to learn that santos has a .650 career OPS in his minor league career

I'm fine with all those stats except the last one. Why do we just "take out" the team's best 2 months. They happened! That's like me saying "take out September and we make the playoffs in 2007 and 2008." Well, ****, that'd be nice, but those months happened.

i may just give up this thread instead of giving up watching games

the point is, those months were the abberation

the point is, youre an idiot for believing that

you cannot just take out significant portions of a season and twist the stats to your liking

dont give up on ollie winning the cy young

in all seriousness smiglet:

if the mets start winning, im sure this thread will be fun for you again. but how confident are you in that?

if pelf and maine continue to build off their next start, and ollie somehow finds himself, we can go on a little run ...... hopefully something like 12-3 over 15 games and then maybe the team will get some confidence. But i think the mets are playing without confidence right now


are you happy with how the team is constructed?
would you trade murphy, fmart, and parnell for peavy?
do you think we are the best team in the league? in the division?

the team was inspired when jerry got there, no doubt. they were red hot for 50 games.

this is a 300 game span. fine keep those games in. they are 10 games over .500 in the past 300 games, including an incredible red hot run. Does this make them good?

very

not denying that, but the confidence will come.


maybe, i dunno. i like the team as it is

the league? no. the nl? maybe. the division? absolutely.

smig:

if perez gets rocked in his next start, what should they do about it?

again, you cant do that. each year has been a different team with different strengths.

07 we had very strong hitting, solid starting pitching, and mediocre bullpen

08 very solid hitting, very solid starting pitching, and horrendous bullpen

this year, i expect very solid hitting, solid starting pitching, and a very good bullpen

just because they "ran hot" for 2 months while playing mediocre the rest of the way doesnt make them a statistical anomaly.

we blew almost 30 saves last year. you think thats gonna be the case this year? do you really think they are gonna continue to fail to drive in runs? i dont.

moving him to the bullpen would just be ****ing stupid. try to send him to the minors (can we? i think he needs to consent) and if not then we are stuck with him in the rotation.

but this isnt necessarily a bad thing. most of his struggles i think are because he needs to get his velocity back. its been slowly creeping back up from what i see on fangraphs average pitch speed. he'll be back to normal (fwiw) once he starts throwing low 90s again

Wouldn't they realize that it's an aberration because it's a small sample size in which they played well?

no

they're not that smart

Redsox are best in MLB.

St Louis best in NL.

Mets are best in NL East, but that's like being smartest kid with down syndrome, since every team is terrible. I do think the Mets are the best of the awful though.