losing carter obv blows....i have to hope we get back chung and spikes, esp chung.

defense is obv terrible...oh well offense is great, ST is very solid and GOAT coach....man it would be great to see a SB being hoisted around by ross ventrone.

Sublime was the only guy on my side of the "defense ISN'T terrible" debate. Now there's only me.

I'm *still* not worried about the defense. Yeah, they made us look like Swiss Cheese those first two drives, but that's when we realized, "Why are we playing prevent against Tebow???" We put more people in the box, and it was Game Over. And how you guys can't give the defense credit for forcing those turnovers is a joke. You think the ball carriers just forgot to hold on to it? Or did we have guys up front creating penetration and wreaking havoc?

Losing Carter will hurt. He was our DMVP.

I'm not scared of anybody in the AFC. GB is the only team that deserves to be favored over this Patriots team, and it's not by much. God, if that's the match-up for the SB, the over/under might be in the 80s.

I'm still with you, ytf. Really nice Sunday yesterday. Now if the niners could just help us out tonight, we'd be in great shape for the 1 seed.

Also, not that it mattered in the game but does anyone have any idea why they didn't review that TD by Hernandez. Sure looked like that was a catch to me.

Has to be called a TD on the field for an auto booth review, and bb didnt challenge for some reason.

I'm not mad at all, thanks for the recognition, though.

For ****s sake Goodie, if the GOAT coach doesn't want to challenge, who are we to question...

BB has been far from GOAT in challenges recently.

I may be thinking of a different play now that I think about it...

Careful dude. You're going to get run straight out of this thread. We don't tolerate any of that negativity around here.

I thought they should have challenged, was worth 4 points, and it looked pretty close.

Wasn't aware that it had to be called a TD for it to be a booth challenge. Thanks!

I see what you're trying to do here. However, there is a BIG difference in questioning a call on the field that we have all the same information as he does and questioning his personnel decisions of the last few years where we likely have about 5% of the information and knowledge that he does.

Make sense? Thanks for playing.

BB was wise not to challenge that Hernandez catch. That was a play that the call on the field was going to be upheld (either way) as there was not enough evidence to overturn.

I agree it probably would have been upheld - however it's worth so much if the ref happens to overturn it it's worth it to try.

When he releases a bunch of his picks and acquisitions we don't need his upfront knowledge and information, as he's confirmed with his own actions that he made poor choices.

You might be right, Toro. However, I think it was worth the challenge since it meant points and I believe it was in the first half so the timeout wouldn't have been a huge deal to lose.

Here's my thought on that. Belechick clearly knows how to evaluate talent. Likely a hundred times better than you or me. That's a fact. There is no disputing that.

So, you have to base his decisions not necessarily on the ultimate outcome after the player comes here but on whether it was a good decision at the time that he made it. That's where we fall WAY short in terms of knowledge and information.

Therefore, because he's been proven and we don't have the information or knowledge that he had at decision time, we just can't make worthwhile criticisms of those decisions.

CBS seemed to provide a pretty clear angle of the Hernandez catch to overturn the ruling on the field IMO. His hands were definitely under it, only question is whether it squeezed between his hands onto the ground before it's way back up. Didn't look like it to me, but I don't know if that would be enough evidence to overturn it. Seems worth it to risk a TO in the first half for 4 points

The timeout that you lose is not the concern. The concern is that you are only allowed 2 challenges a game and you will be wasting one in the first half on a challenge that most likely won't get overturned because the replays are inconclusive.

My view (and most likely BB's as well) was that the chance of overturning was so low that it wasn't worth wasting a challenge.

I've got a problem with the bold part. Not the part where you say BB is a hundred times better than you or me. But the rest. I don't think you can unequivocally state that it's a fact and there is no disputing it.

My view is that he is so great as a coach that he is able to overcome his shortcomings as a player personnel evaluator. And Jbrocho makes a great point when he says BB basically admits this when he releases the players he has hand picked.

Fair enough. Good point.

What part do you have a problem with? The hundred times better? Because I can't imagine you think that he's not significantly better than you or me. And he has WAY more information than we do.

I don't know how he compares to other player evaluators in the NFL. However, what I'm saying is that I can be reasonably certain of how he compares to you or me. When a fan is critical of the moves he's making, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me as the information and knowledge available to those fans just isn't there to make a proper assessment.

Goodie, you're not goodie at reading. I specifically said "Not the part where you say BB is a hundred times better than you or me."

And as a fan questioning the defensive players he has picked, I'm not saying I could have picked better players, I'm saying he should have picked better players or if he isn't capable of picking better players, recognize that and hire someone who can.

Yeah, I misread a bit. So, your contention is that Belechick does not know how to evaluate football talent?

If that's your stance than I think we're likely done. Any argument I have against that will likely insult you in many ways.

See, this is so typical of the way you argue. Obviously BB didn't get to where he's gotten if he doesn't know how to evaluate football talent. But having said that, you can't deny that he has had a real problem drafting on defense, particularly defensive backs.

What's wrong with agreeing with me that the team would be better off if he would hire someone to delegate this aspect of the operation to someone that just might be better at it than him and certainly would have more time and energy to devote to it as he has the demands of coaching the team particluarly with respect that he is also basically the defacto defensive coordinator.

And it's Belichick.