would listen again for sure

yeah agree for sure. I sort of hope Revis loves it here so much he decides to play for just a massive deal (and not the biggest deal) but on list of things I'm thinking about, that's pretty far down the line.

I haven't read all the details in his contract, but if the Pats pick up an option to pay Revis $20 million for one year, he will probably take it, because that's freakin ridiculous. They have no "control" because it's just another one-year deal. If the Pats want to work out a deal, they would do it during the season, it makes no sense otherwise. I don't even get why you're suggesting this possibility.

Im suggesting it because i have no idea how they view it and wondered if it could be a possibility. That is why i started it with "I Wonder if". Seems to have touched a nerve with you so I apologise for bringing it up.

I didn't mean to be mean about it, but when you pick up an option that means you've set the contract for that season, Revis is guaranteed $20M in 2015. So they have to do a deal this year to avoid that option, or release him.

Prawney, I thought you had a better understanding of how contracts work, both in football and baseball? Sorry if I'm wrong. My understanding of football contracts is weak at best. But lol, it is for the most of us unless you are committed to the data.

I agree, I think Revis would just play out the option year at $20MM barring a crazy long-term offer, he has shown a willingness to bet on himself. Picking up the option gives Revis more leverage than the Pats. This is all for months down the road.

Which BB would never pick up. And anyone who agrees is out of their mind. In which case, he walks unless they have a hint-hint offseason deal in place. My personal hope on this issue, if any, is that Revis is insanely successful during the season and loves the scheme and coaching staff so much he's willing to sign a multi-yr deal at like 17 or 18. I posted this question in the main board.

Yes, I don't think they'll pick up the option, sorry, I thought saying that would give Revis more leverage than the Pats made that clear.

Revis is going to take 40-50MM of guaranteed money to lock up without hitting the open market. We'll see how it goes, if its a one year rental its a one year rental.

It's really interesting. If Revis plays like he hopes to play, 40-50MM is GTD on his way. Maybe I'm being a huge homer here (I know, right?), but if Revis does what he's supposed to do throughout most of the season, BB will authorize to drop the check.

You never know, this is solely based on BB identifying what's best for his team. BB will pay prime for prime talent if he sees it crucial.

If Revis plays as advertised, I think BB willl go behind the scenes and work hard for a deal, even if Revis wants to wait. Which is in his nature.

Does the option on Revis prevent the franchise tag? I think so.

Revis nullified the franchise tag in the contract. When we first heard the details, we thought he hadn't and went nuts. Sadly, things came back to earth.

Bottom line - Revis will be tough to keep.

Gronk is out during joint practices with the Skins. He probably won't see any preseason action before they roll him out week 1. Anyone think that BB had a long hard talk with the Gronk family this offseason? Pats seem to be controlling the rehab, which is great.

If that option is picked up just to renegotiate there would be no point to renegotiate. And not a chance he would nor should he. He'd get 20m fully for 1 year. If you think about it that would be 48m paid in 3 years. (16m/12m/20m) maybe more should do contracts like that. That would be exactly what Peterson got in guaranteed $ and Revis did it in just 3 years lolz.

Yea no shot the 20m is picked up but I think it could be renegotiated at 16m and some turned into bonuses to lower that huge 15' cap hit. Can that work? Plus the no franchise gives him 100% leverage. He would resign maybe to avoid the tag but he don't gotta worry about that.

My prediction is he plays the season out. He don't care about the security of long term deals. I think he waits for the option maybe cut to 16-17M renegotiated to lower that 15' cap hit. Then in 16' taking the long term deal possibly. But if he were to do long term in NE next year its not for a penny less than 50M guanerteed. And if he hits open market we could possibilly see the guaranteed money he near 55m. Wouldn't be shocked.

Also think Steelers are major players next year. Hometown team and cap back from hell lol. They got manuverability. Crazy how yet again Revis will be the top available FA this off season lol.

Yeah thinking about it more the Option is pretty unrealistic. I blame Bert Breer for tweeting last week that "It may make sense to pick up the option and pay $20m".

A question though: Say if Revis Balls out and is a major part of Pats D becoming top 5 and make a deep post-season run. With Brady's window closing would you consider picking up the option and truly selling out for another year. Would likely have to involve some other contract restructures that will hurt future years.

No, theyd be better off extending and pushing cap pain out if they we in full GFIN mode (which they don't have in their nature)

The no tag came back to screw the Jets big time. It looks as if NE may be in for the same fate.

I really believe if we had the option to tag him he might of stayed a Jets because I think we could of tagged him Twice giving more time to negotiate with Idzik. But jeez god knows what the cap hit would be...etc...Also means no Sheldon so ehh...

NFL shouldn't allow players to avoid the tag in their contracts its just not right. Teams need the tag to help keep/secure their best players. IDK sure the players hate them but speaking as a fan just isn't right that they can avoid them like Revis has TWICE already...Monkey see, monkey do. Only matter of time before we see more of this by the players. Especially after they notice what hes made recently $$ and will make $$. Gets all the leverage having no tag…

I think its either pay him a kings ransom or watch him leave. There's no in between and A. Can they afford that? B. Will they do so? I don't think that's the BB type thing.

Have they ever got a huge FA top $$ at their respective position like potentially Revis deal? I remember it was always stud players from the outside taking less to go to NE and potentially get a ring or their own players taking less to win multiple rings and help the team.

I remember the Adalius Thomas signing, that was pretty big. What else? Plus is McCourty looking at a new deal this off season? Hell get #1 saftey in NFL $$. Chandler in 2 years = big $$!!. Can't keep them all if you give Revis that monster deal. Sorry bout monster post but Revis talk is intriguing to muah ;-)

They can keep Jones, McCourty, and Revis under the cap pretty easily if they want. McCourty's cap number isnt small this year at 5.1, an extension likely saves room the first year. Revis extension is similar. The Hernandez dead money goes off freeing up 7.5mm plus potentially a small extra amount from grievances. Wilfork is 6mm off next year. Mankins is cuttable/restructurabe fir real savings next year. Gronk and mayos cap numbers go up (mayos likely fixable via guaranteeing next years salary then extending him in 2016). The cap is increasing at a good pace for the next few years.

They need to extend Solder too, who you forgot because you are casualfan and don't care about OL play.

Edit: also 5.6mm saved from Connolly and Wendell

Anythings possible. But movin $$ to bonus doesnt just disappear from the cap. It may lower it that season but it will eventually come back around which could hurt the future. Gonna be tough but a good GM that can crunch.the numbers could get the job done. I'm not the best at cap talk but overthecap.com helps a lot.

I was talking about resigning the players that could demand #1 at their position type $$ like Revis....McCourty and Chandler are IMO those types. Maybe Chandler needs one more fantastic year and a probowl before I add him to that list butMcCourty is for sure #1 $$ potential. As for Solder he's great but not top 5 LT $$ IMO.

Really still going with the casual fan? Really man you gotta grow up. Save the trash talk till we play ;-) I get it when I was troll in but still doing it for about a year now is quite sad lol.

When both sides drew up this contract they almost certainly had a wink deal to either hammer out a long-term extension during the year or let him go. Stop trying to think they will pick this up, it was written into the contract specifically to force the Pats to negotiate an extension if they wanted him in 2015.

Someone want to make the AFCE thread so we can start the 2014 AFCE champs Jets talk!!!! Lolz

Never heard of a "wink" deal lol. He getting the most he can. Its not like he did NE any favors taking 1 yr deal. Everything he and his team does is well planned out and it looks genius after all that happend so far this off season with DB $$ in the NFL.

I expect a McCourty deal sometime during the season. He's not going anywhere. Chandler needs to really prove himself in the elite-to-near-elite DE level this season before he sees real money.

It's already out there, broski. Feel free to make the main board listen to everything we've had to listen to the last several months, lol.

Agree with Chandler. How he didn't make ProBowl along with Wilkerson is a scam. He has all the elite potential as much as I'd like to deny it since Coples ain't as good. (even though I think 10 sacks for Coples in 14')

Is he listed as DE or OLB? Big $$ difference right? If were talking Mario Williams type deal....Think that's possible if he break out for 15 sacks this year?

LOL OK didn't know that....You got it ;-)

Edit* I don't see 2014 AFCE thread, only 2013. Can you link me?

Well maybe if you could actually post something factually correct you wouldn't get called wrong all the time.

Pretty funny to hear a racist, homophobic, misogynist such as yourself tell me to grow up though. Your parents must be very proud of their work.

Chandler Jones isn't going to be the top paid defensive end or close. Devin McCourty's cap number this year is $5.1MM. The Pats have like $25MM they clear off next year pretty easy plus the cap is going up a lot the next three years. This is not the dilemma that you think it is.

Salva, why the f did you tell him about the AFCE thread instead of letting him start his own and letting it turn into a TradeOC containment thread.

I feel bad for you Gambool. Everyone knows you over do it with the non sense. Also ITT's I know I can talk football with the best of them compared to some of the others . So your basis of me being casual fan doesn't hold water. Youre the only one that gets personal never me my man...;-)

Wait till we play then you're free to talk whatever. Untill then when I'm not even toying with you relax... its borderline whackadoo behavior.