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Yeah, I understand this completely. However, you were arguing that the Patriots were lucky to keep it close and the evidence was that they had two drives the whole game. First of all, this is untrue, you've discounted the drive in which they turned it over on downs. Secondly, this argument is useless if you discount the 81 yard touchdown pass because that put points on the board and therefore would counter your argument that the Patriots were lucky to keep it close.

Just move along, your embarrassing yourself at this point.

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12-07-2009 , 12:57 PM

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So how bad does it have to get to realize your SB chances aren't really there?

Even if you make the SB, odds are you will get crushed there. Odds are you will have 2 games on the road in the playoffs. And you guys currently have 0 road wins (1 neutral win vs TB).

To answer your first question. Much worse than it is. I won't repeat myself, but look at the losses that they have. You do see how they could easily be 10-2 right now, right? If you don't, your being unreasonable.

And odds are they get crushed??? How can that be? They've been crushed one time this entire season and it was the best team in the NFL playing pretty much as good as they can play. You people are out of your minds.

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12-07-2009 , 12:58 PM

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I mean, if you look at their losses, only one (NO) was a situation where the Pats were clearly outplayed.

The first Jets game also. The Broncos played much better then them in the 2nd half/OT, though I think the first half was closer.

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I've been saying this for a couple of weeks now.

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12-07-2009 , 12:59 PM

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no the TOD, they only had one 1st down, had 56 yard pass to Welker

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12-07-2009 , 01:01 PM

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The first Jets game also. The Broncos played much better then them in the 2nd half/OT, though I think the first half was closer.

I've been saying this for a couple of weeks now.

7 points is not clearly outplayed. Ever.

And I think the Pats showed that was a fluke the second time they played your pathetic team.

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12-07-2009 , 01:02 PM

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7 points is not clearly outplayed. Ever.

And I think the Pats showed that was a fluke the second time they played your pathetic team.

score DNE being outplayed.

and big LOL at your next statement. I won't even bother going to that.

Every time you post, I get the feeling you don't actually watch football, just look @ scoreboards.

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12-07-2009 , 01:03 PM

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no the TOD, they only had one 1st down, had 56 yard pass to Welker

Nevermind. Your reaching. And trolling. And leveling.

I'm done with you. Your clearly wrong and you know it.

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12-07-2009 , 01:08 PM

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score DNE being outplayed.

and big LOL at your next statement. I won't even bother going to that.

Every time you post, I get the feeling you don't actually watch football, just look @ scoreboards.

Debo, your really not good at arguing. I mean, really not good at it. I actually discounted the first Jets game in my original argument that they could have won all but two of their games but now that you want to talk about it, the Pats could have one this game as well. It was only seven points. You do realize that equals one touchdown, right?

The Pats beat the Jets by 17 points in the second game and had that game in hand through the entire contest. The Jets at no point could have won that game. THAT is clearly outplaying an opponent. Clearly outplaying is NEVER 7 points. Ever. Period.

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12-07-2009 , 01:13 PM

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If I am bad at arguing, you are terrible with spelling and grammar.
If you want to make hypothetical claims up, we can say the Patriots never had a shot in the first game after the Jets scored the TD. The defense was playing at a level it never played before, and Brady was never getting a clean look at it. Only delusional Patriot fans like yourself would think the Patriots had a >40% chance at winning that game. Moss had no way of getting separation from Revis, Brady had an average of under 2 seconds to get the ball out of his hands, etc etc.

And you are wrong with your 7 points argument. But if you want to keep arguing it to yourself, go right ahead.

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12-07-2009 , 01:13 PM

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I'm out of my mind b/c you think your team's chances of a SB are still pretty high?

It's nice that you are 7-6, and it's nice that most game are close but there are still some serious deficiencies on this team which is causing the losses and it's not just bad luck.

If we are being unreasonable, you too are being unreasonable. The team just isn't that amazing this year. I guess the team would need to finish 7-9 for you to realize this.

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12-07-2009 , 01:15 PM

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Best 7-5 team ever, AMIRITE Goodie?

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12-07-2009 , 01:16 PM

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If your going to makes claims on how good or bad a team is, you might want to know thier record first.

I never said they were amazing. I said they are still a super bowl contender. And I stand by that. And I think there's evidence to support that.

That is all.

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12-07-2009 , 01:18 PM

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Best 7-5 team ever, AMIRITE Goodie?

Could be. I think they're clearly better than any other 7-5 team in the NFL right now.

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12-07-2009 , 01:22 PM

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Oh my bad 7-5 vs 7-6.........sorry for the confusion.

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12-07-2009 , 01:28 PM

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pats chances of going to SB this year (realistically)?

15%?

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12-07-2009 , 02:30 PM

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That is just the delusions of the Pats fans. It is kind of funny, I mean I am a Packers fan but I am realistic. With their remaining schedule I don't think they make it, and if they do make the playoffs they will be one and done, no delusions here.

They are buying into TB/PM comparisons, like he made the teams for those super bowls. Forgetting their is 3 units and they had pretty solid people around him.

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12-07-2009 , 02:35 PM

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7 points is not clearly outplayed. Ever.

And I think the Pats showed that was a fluke the second time they played your pathetic team.

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More delusions. I mean, fluke that the Jets won the first game, and you discount it like it didn't really happen. I bet your not discounting the opener where you guys should have onside kicked the ball and the return man comes out of the end zone and fumbles. He downs the ball and even a 3 and out punt makes that a different outcome. You do realize this, correct.

Becoming a dynasty happened to one of the worst fans ever.

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12-07-2009 , 02:40 PM

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Could be. I think they're clearly better than any other 7-5 team in the NFL right now.

Only the Jags and the Giants are 7-5 other than the Pats. That isn't saying much!

Barring the game tonight if Balt wins both teams are 7-5 and I think either team playing tonight would beat NE.

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12-07-2009 , 02:54 PM

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if you're going to claim that they could easily be 10-2 because of some of the losses they have then the rest of us should be able to claim they could easily be 5-7 because of some of the wins they have (Bills and Ravens).

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12-07-2009 , 03:01 PM

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pats chances of going to SB this year (realistically)?

15%?

Less I think. But it has less to do with how good of a team they are and more to do with the fact that they'll have to play 3 games against good teams, 2 of them on the road. They'll probably be like 75% in the first game, and then even if they were 50% in the next two games, that'd put them at 18% or so, and I think even the homeriest of us homers know they won't be 50% against SD or Indy.

The Pats are a very good team that have run bad. They're likely the either the 2nd or 3rd best team in the AFC, but they're digging themselves a hole that will make it tough to get out of in the playoffs.

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12-07-2009 , 03:09 PM

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OMG a reasonable Pats fan!!! I take back what I said about all NE fans are delusional.

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12-07-2009 , 03:15 PM

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OMG a reasonable Pats fan!!! I take back what I said about all NE fans are delusional.

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12-07-2009 , 03:19 PM

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You don't read very well, do you? When I said they could easily be 10-2, the two losses I was counting were NO and the Jets. I never said it was a fluke that the Jets beat the Pats but they didn't throughly outplay them like NO did. NO is the only game I think the Pats really got outplayed. And of course the Bills game could have (and maybe should have) been a loss. But that's the only one.

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12-07-2009 , 03:22 PM

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Only the Jags and the Giants are 7-5 other than the Pats. That isn't saying much!

Barring the game tonight if Balt wins both teams are 7-5 and I think either team playing tonight would beat NE.

You do realize that the Pats have already beat the Ravens.