I could easily be convinced that Newton isn't a good NFL QB prospect.

The fact that he is great at running is not proof of the above. That's my whole point. Malzahn is awesome but we weren't talking about Chris Todd's NFL prospects a year ago. Newton is clearly a special talent. His 2010 is better than Tebow and Young's best college seasons.

I don't know anything about his throwing mechanics, etc. (other than they are much, much better than Young's) I really just know that he is having a GOAT type college football season this year. And being 6-6, 250 and being able to run the 40 in the low 4.4s is absurd.

. From that description, he sounds sort of like culpepper.

Ya, the other more recent comparison is probably JAAAASH Freeman

Newtons a much better runner than any of the non-vick QBs. Better runner than VY, thicker than VY, which makes me assume more durable, etc.

So apparently for MNF we won't have Favre, Jackson, or Webb.. rofl

Should be interesting

direct snap to ADP/Percy every play imo

Patrick Ramsey to the rescue.

Officially playing outdoors at the Gophers stadium Monday night vs Bears...

Weather looks moderate, high 23 low 9, no snow expected.

PS. Vikings revealed Greg Camarillo is the emergency QB and would have played if everyone got too hurt yesterday.

This is a little strong. I thought they said they weren't sure if any of them would be ready but didn't rule any of them out yet.

From everything I've seen, Webb's injury seems to be the hamstring from 2 weeks ago. He didn't reinjure/aggravate anything yesterday. And he played yesterday, so....

He should be the guy starting anyway over Favre and TJack at this point...

This would be lol even without taking into account your stance on run-first QBs.

Unless your goals are:

1. Improve draft pick
2. Get him some experience to see if he can be the new TJack (medium-term #2 option)

In which case, I suppose I prove.

I think I still prefer TJack as the next TJack, though. To Webb that is.

1. Vikings season is over.
2. Favre is done as a Viking, not coming back next year.
3. TJack should be done as a Viking, should not be back next year.
4. Webb is a project QB. We hope to catch lightning in a bottle with him. He should be back next year. Play him now when we can play him for his development.

And my only stance on run-first QB's is that we already have one and don't need to draft another and that you're not going to win the Super Bowl with a wildcat QB.

EDIT: after seeing your edit, improved draft pick as a bonus reason.

Its pretty silly to treat all "running" QBs as equal

FO has Philly at like 10% to win the SB right now... significantly higher than Peyton Manning's chances.

I'm not.

There are scrambling QB's like Tarkenton, Steve Young, Vick.
There are pocket QB's who can run like McNair, McNabb, Cunningham.
And there are running QB's who might turn out to be pocket QB's who can run, like Joe Webb and Cam Newton.

So there are fast white QBs, fast black QBs and RBs who throw?

I'd like to see you articulate the difference between groups 1 and 2. Note that career QB rushing leaders #1 and #3 are in group 1 and #2 is in group 2. And

Also, Vick was clearly in group 3 in HS, college, the NFL, prison and then the NFL again last season.

And I'm pretty sure McNabb hasn't been anything more than "mobile QB" since like 2002. QBs with more rushing yards than him this season:

He's 17th this season if sort QBs by rushing yards per game.

Bah, you're giving me a headache. After you did the racism thing, I didn't really want to post on Cam anymore, but maybe me not clarifying is what is enabling you to continue in this vein.

Cam Newton is an awesome runner of the football. He is in a system that showcases this extraordinary ability. Because of the adjustments that the defense has to make due to his extraordinary ability at running the ball AND the system that he is in, he is able to pass the ball somewhat effectively and efficiently numbers-wise in a simple passing scheme.

The Auburn O is miles away from an NFL passing scheme. So, when Cam comes to the NFL, he will come as a "running QB" who will have to learn the NFL passing game just like Joe Webb is having to learn right now. imo, we want a pocket passer coming out of college and can take a flyer on a non-traditional QB like Webb/Newton if we want. We already have Webb and I don't think we need to waste a high draft pick on a similar guy.

Finally, the QB's who win Super Bowls are pocket passers. Since 1996 the SB winning QB's are: Brees, Brady, Eli, Peyton, Big Ben, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, Elway, Favre, Aikman. We want a pocket passer. If they can scramble a bit like Elway or Favre, that's a bonus.

Agreed.

Agreed.


By any reasonable measure he has been far and away the most efficient passer in college football this season.

Agreed.

This is where your reasoning turns ridiculous. Randy Moss and Troy Williamson are both speed WRs, are they the same? Webb and Newton are vastly different prospects. Newton is 2 inches taller, 30 pounds heavier and is in another world in terms of success throwing the ball in college.

Some of these guys just plain suck. You don't have to have a certain "type" of QB to win the SB. Having a good offense just helps a lot, so a lot of teams with good QBs have won.

Is Cam Newton a project? Definitely.
Is he a top 2 QB prospect? Imo, no.
Is he top 5? Almost certainly.
Does the fact that he is a run-first QB make him significantly less likely to win a SB than the other projected first round QBs? No. They are all long shots. But he has upside and I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up being better in the NFL than Vince Young.

There has to be a decent chance the next HC moves Webb back to WR like he was projected coming out of college.

I would actually prefer this and get 3 completely new QB's in here next year.

All this Vince Young talk, I think he's a viable option for next year if available. He's a good player.

Looks like Michael Lombardi might be interested in a FO position with the Vikings:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...avre-childress

clearly whats gonna happen otherwise 2 new qbs + webb at wr / 3rd qb

lol TJack on IR, sick career brah. Unless Favre makes a miracle recovery Joe Webb in line to start Monday. Should be an epic Spergon Wynn style disaster

The last 9 QB's to start for MN: Todd Bouman, Spergon Wynn, Gus Frerotte, Brad Johnson, Tarvaris Jackson, Kelly Holcomb, Brooks Bollinger, Gus Frerotte, and Brett Favre.

We really could use a franchise QB.