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07-17-2013 , 05:43 PM
meh, saying a guy everyone thinks is horrible won't be good doesn't take guts.

These quotes on the other hand take a little guts.

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Originally Posted by cha59
Darko was amazing tonight. He basically neutered Duncan at both ends of the floor. The play he fouled out on was dumb. When he was out, there was a huge difference in the lane when SA had the ball. That cost us the game. When he's in there, we're a whole different team defensively. Duncan couldnt get shots off against him. He affects the shots of anyone going into the lane. He almost reminds me of Hakeem Olajuwon in the regard.
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guys I really want to keep:
Love
Beasley
Darko
Wes
Webster
Rubio's rights
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07-17-2013 , 06:40 PM
Went back to read posts from that time for the memories and lols. Got lots of posts about how terrible and frustrating Corey Brewer is. Backfire.
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07-17-2013 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Halstad
meh, saying a guy everyone thinks is horrible won't be good doesn't take guts.

These quotes on the other hand take a little guts.
yeah. Obviously physical talent does not equal being good in the NBA. Its necessary, but so is effort and having a brain. Darko just didnt care and Beasley has the BBIQ of a rock. Those guys showed flashes of having elite physical talent & Beasley actually put up all-time elite numbers in college. That game that you took my quote from, one of the Spurs' assistant coaches commented that he didnt know Kareem Abdul Jabbar played for the Wolves, in reference to Darko. He had a handful of games like that when he was here. The problem was, he didnt even try to do that all the time, or even most of the time.

Wes looked like he should have been a good player because he's an elite athlete, but it took a while to figure out he just cant play. Webster can play when he's healthy, he was just never healthy when he played here. Man, we had some bad players on that team. Take Love off that team and it probably would have been the worst team in NBA history, coached by an all-time worst coach candidate.

Shabust does not have elite physical talent and he did not have promising numbers in college, nor does he do any of the little things that could make a good role player out of him.
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07-17-2013 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Went back to read posts from that time for the memories and lols. Got lots of posts about how terrible and frustrating Corey Brewer is. Backfire.
I didn't realize we ragged on Brewer that much when we had him.

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Originally Posted by cha59
Shabust does not have elite physical talent and he did not have promising numbers in college, nor does he do any of the little things that could make a good role player out of him.
But he was an elite prospect in HS, therefore exo is in love with him.

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That game that you took my quote from, one of the Spurs' assistant coaches commented that he didnt know Kareem Abdul Jabbar played for the Wolves, in reference to Darko.
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07-17-2013 , 09:24 PM
Austin Rivers >>>>>>>>>>>> Shabust
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07-17-2013 , 11:42 PM
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Ben Golliver, Sports Illustrated

Timberwolves: Robbie Hummel, the often-injured former Purdue standout, has impressed all week.

The most entertaining thing about Minnesota, though, is watching Shabazz Muhammad play off-ball defense. He chases his man through screens in a most unusual and uneconomical fashion, his arms and legs both seemingly flailing in different directions as he tries to navigate the traffic.
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07-18-2013 , 12:00 AM
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07-18-2013 , 02:51 PM
i heard bazz torched mclemore today
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07-19-2013 , 11:54 PM
Apparently even though I'm no longer a season ticket holder, they assigned a new ticket rep to me. This is the exchange I've had with him so far:

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(cha59),
Sorry to have missed you earlier. As your new contact with the Wolves, was calling to learn more about your past experience here with the organization. In addition, as we move forward with a vastly improved team, a new President of Basketball Operations (Flip Saunders) and overall renewed interest in the Wolves; would like to have a brief conversation about next season.

What are your thoughts (cha59)?

Thank you for your time and look forward to talking soon!
(new ticket rep)
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(new ticket rep),

I was glad when Kahn was fired, but I think Glen made a poor decision and used a poor process in hiring his replacement. I think its pretty obvious that Flip is in way over his head with this position. The draft was horribly botched. I like the Martin & Budinger signings, but letting Kirilenko get away is a huge mistake. Also, Brewer was way overpaid for what he is.

Glen had a chance to interview and hire a lot of capable GMs, but he failed to even interview a single one, because he was "comfortable" with Flip. That was a lazy, bad, decision making process. Other teams with similar job openings filled their positions with much more capable, informed, smart people.

Assuming Pekovic stays, and the key players stay healthy this season, they should be improved. I look forward to watching the core of Love, Pek & Rubio. I think that is a great core to build around. Unfortunately, I have little hope this team will contend for a title with Flip in charge because the team will be up against the salary cap, and when that happens, the way great teams remain great is to fill their roster with talented, cheap players in the draft. See the Spurs' roster for example. We're not going to have that here as long as Flip is making bad decisions.

(cha59)

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(cha59),
Appreciate the feedback and passion. I think Flip deserves an opportunity to prove what he can do before drawing conclusions. Regarding the interview process, it is being assumptive to say that Taylor did not have conversations with other prospective candidates. In the end, he has to have a comfort level with who he has in charge and Flip has proven to be astute in the past with judging talent both in his days here and in Detroit. Again, time will tell how this draft plays out and if the right decisions were made in free agency. I hope we can have you back in some capacity this season (cha59).
Go Wolves,
(new ticket rep)

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(new ticket rep),

Are you saying this story is incorrect?

"Taylor said he had a list of eight candidates — including 11-time NBA champion coach Phil Jackson — compiled for the job but never called any of them because he already had decided Saunders was the right man for the job."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/205970021.html

If I look hard enough, I'm pretty sure I can find direct quotes from Glen elsewhere stating similar things, because I remember reading them.

I'm sure it won't take very long for all to see what is obvious to those of us paying close attention: this draft was botched horribly, letting AK47 get away was a significant mistake, and overpaying Brewer was a less significant mistake, but nevertheless, a mistake.

I disagree with the assertion Flip has proven to be astute at judging talent anywhere. That's fine, we can disagree on all this. I'm still a Wolves' fan, but I won't be buying anymore season tickets as long as Glen is making these types of decisions. I'll be watching most of the games on tv, and I might attend one or more games, but not on a regular basis.

I understand what your job is and I don't expect you to take my side on any of what I wrote above. At least we have Love, Rubio and probably Pekovic. Assuming those three are healthy, and assuming Rick A. remains as head coach (he is an excellent coach), this should be a fun team. Good luck to you going forward.

(cha59)
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(cha59),
Between us, what would you have done in the draft based on how the picks before the Wolves went down? Also, do you think it would have been smart to invest significant cap space in AK when he missed almost 20 games last year? When healthy, no denying he is great but he was out quite a bit last season. Again, appreciate your passionate following!

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(new ticket rep)
I would have not made the trade and picked McCollum. If we did not want McCollum because of his height, I don't know why we wanted Reddick or Mayo, who are both within about an inch of McCollum's real height. If they had another good reason for not taking McCollum, I would have been fine with keeping Burke or drafting Olynyk. I think all three of those players have good chances of being good NBA players.

I heard from a source that Flip expected Olynyk to be available at 14, but he should have had the foresight to realize that Dallas was basically trying to give the 13th pick away. When Boston traded down to take Olynyk, Flip seemed stunned and totally unprepared for that to happen. When that happened, he took a player who should have lasted until the middle of the 2nd round in Muhammed. If you don't already know this, you will see that Muhammed does nothing productive on the floor, and he will struggle mightily vs. NBA defenders. He was an inefficient scorer in college. He just mostly jacks up bad shots, most of which do not go in. He does not defend, or get assists, steals, blocks or rebounds. He has very little chance of being a productive NBA player.

Trading 9 for 14 and 21 is a bad value in a vacuum, but the fact we had, and basically sold 26 for cash later, makes the trade even worse. Dieng might have been available at 26 anyways, and its now looking like picking him at 21 was a reach, because he looks like a project, not like someone who will get much playing time this season. I'm not upset Flip picked Dieng because he looked like a reasonable prospect at that point, but right now it looks like we could have done better with that pick too. The second round picks seem fine to me, but you typically don't build a winning team with 2nd round picks.

Did you see how much the Nets are paying AK? Way less than we're paying Brewer. My understanding is that we showed basically no interest in keeping him, so he looked elsewhere. Yes, 60 games of Kirilenko (which is about what a team should expect from him) is far better than 82 games of Brewer (if we get that out of him - he isn't exactly bullet-proof either). Do you have an understanding of advanced statistics like win shares? That tells part of the story about how valuable AK is, but he does so many little things that are not measurable as well. Despite only playing 60 games, he was still our best player last season and easily the best defender on the team. Our defense is going to suffer greatly without him.

Back to the Reddick/Mayo/Martin discussion - I think we got the best of those three players, even though we wanted Reddick more than Martin. Reddick would have been ok, but Martin is a better player in my opinion. I did not want Mayo, so I'm glad we didn't get him.
All of these messages happened the same day. Its been a couple days & I haven't heard from him after the last one.
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07-20-2013 , 12:09 AM
Are ticket reps usually that candid(not sure if candid is the correct word) with their replies? It seems like its not just a cut and paste type reply, which is refreshing.
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07-20-2013 , 12:21 AM
yeah, they'll talk a little sometimes. The last guy told me Kahn reads comments like mine. At the time, Kahn was on thin ice and I wanted him gone in a bad way, so I want super impressed with that.
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07-20-2013 , 03:18 PM
Spoiler:
Kahn was good
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07-20-2013 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
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Kahn was good








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07-20-2013 , 05:57 PM
I agree with jay. He made some mistakes and alienated some people, but he's a very intelligent guy who's willing to take risks. had a chance to be great
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07-20-2013 , 09:46 PM
If cha thinks Kahn was a 0 and you two think he's 100, I think he was closer to a 25. Bad, but not cha bad.
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07-22-2013 , 05:02 PM
My take on rumblings about PEK over at Canis:

- no one has confirmed that the Wolves ever offered 4 year at $50 mil. This was pure speculation from lazy-ass "journalist" Jerry Z. Everone else reporting those numbers has just copied Jerry's wild guess. The only thing we know is the Wolves offered him a contract that he hasn't signed yet.

- Doogie says he thinks PEK wants 5 years at $60 mil. PEK & Love have the same agent. I wonder what Love would think of his agent if he got PEK a 5 year deal?

- If we really offered PEK 4/50, why hasnt he signed yet? He has zero leverage. He probably wasn't offered this deal.

- People are saying what's more likely is Taylor either offered an incentive-laden deal that could reach 4/50, or even more likely, Taylor low-balled him, intending to match if someone else offers more.

- PEK getting a massive offer from someone else seems unlikely at this point.

I'm not too concerned about losing PEK at this point, but I'll feel more comfortable once he's locked up. I just hope Taylor didn't piss PEK & the agent off.
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07-22-2013 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Halstad
If cha thinks Kahn was a 0 and you two think he's 100, I think he was closer to a 25. Bad, but not cha bad.
If you were to grade Kahn on a scale of 90 for A, 80 for B, 70 for C, 60 for D and 59 or less F, I would agree on him getting about a 25.
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07-22-2013 , 05:33 PM
4/50 might be slight overpay (which i'm still fine with, all things considering), so it would probably be a good thing if the actual offer wasn't this large because - as you noted - most teams have already used up their cap space or don't need a center.

are they any teams who still need a center and could afford pek?
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07-22-2013 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cha59
If you were to grade Kahn on a scale of 90 for A, 80 for B, 70 for C, 60 for D and 59 or less F, I would agree on him getting about a 25.
50 would be average

Read this on ESPN on why Pek hasn't signed yet fwiw.

It could be hundreds of things. To give you one example, and I'm not saying this actually the case, I've seen signings that are finalized but not announced because of the difficulty in physically signing the contract. If it gets to September, then start to worry.
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07-22-2013 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Halstad
Read this on ESPN on why Pek hasn't signed yet fwiw.

It could be hundreds of things. To give you one example, and I'm not saying this actually the case, I've seen signings that are finalized but not announced because of the difficulty in physically signing the contract. If it gets to September, then start to worry.
yeah, that might have something to do with it too.
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07-22-2013 , 10:15 PM
It'll get done, there is just not much urgency since it doesn't look like anyone else is going to make an offer. No reason for Pek to sign earlier than he has to and the Wolves are done making moves as well.
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07-22-2013 , 10:21 PM
4/50 seems believable because it would be so idiotic to make him that offer. Fits Flip's style. Bidding against yourself is fun imo
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07-28-2013 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeItSleazy
It'll get done, there is just not much urgency since it doesn't look like anyone else is going to make an offer. No reason for Pek to sign earlier than he has to and the Wolves are done making moves as well.
Pek is playing in some EURO tournament for Montenegro can't imagine he would play in that before he signs a contract.
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07-29-2013 , 11:24 PM
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David Thorpe's Comments on Shabazz at Summer League

Minnesota signed two new wings, Kevin Martin and Corey Brewer, plus it re-signed one of its top three wings from last season, Chase Budinger. That’s good news for the Wolves and Muhammad, because Muhammad looked horribly unprepared to be an NBA player in Las Vegas.

He has some similarities to Michael Kidd-Gilchrist in that both guys used power and size in high school and college to gain advantages, and those opportunities are just not available to them in the NBA. Skill is in high demand for NBA wings, and Muhammad showed little to nothing in that department, save some solid 3-point shooting. He was underwhelming as an athlete, too, which hurt his board work. At best he hopes to be the Wolves’ fourth wing, which means he has time to develop his game and get in better shape.
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07-30-2013 , 12:21 AM
I read that earlier too, but why was he so highly regarded coming out of HS? did he actually get assists in HS?
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