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Ahhh, I'm DVRing the games and watching them on the weekends basically (not sure how to watch the games unless I want to just lose 1-2 hours of sleep). So I haven't seen the last couple of games...

Obv if that guy was serious it's pretty silly...one game of good/bad anything is kind of irrelevant. Also, I'm still not sure he's horrible but obv it's what he's worst at.

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08-09-2012 , 08:09 PM

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Isnt defensive rebounding part of defense? Isnt Love leading the Olympics in +/-? 1st in rebounding, 3rd on the team in scoring, and near the bottom in minutes. His man defense is acceptable. He'll never be a shot blocker, but he is very good at basically everything else, so he helps whatever team he's on a lot.

Lots of these idiots who troll Love like to say he cant put up those numbers on a good team. Well, now he's doing it on the best possible team in the world. This NBA season people will see big numbers from him on a very good NBA team imo.

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08-09-2012 , 08:36 PM

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http://www.canishoopus.com/2012/8/9/...t-only-peg-the

As competitive as the West is, our early projections not only peg the Timberwolves as a solid playoff team, but also as a contender to land home-court advantage in a potential first-round series. I've got them at 51.2 wins, right behind the Thunder, Spurs and Lakers in the West. That's according to NBAPET, my tracking and projection model. We haven't released the SCHOENE projections that go into our Basketball Prospectus preseason annual yet, but I can report that colleague Kevin Pelton's system is perhaps even a little more optimistic than NBAPET about Kahn's work in the upper Midwest.

Remember that the key pieces in Minnesota are on the upswing, so as the veteran Lakers and Spurs fall off in the seasons ahead, the Timberwolves are perfectly positioned to move ahead of them as the primary challengers to Oklahoma City's perch atop the conference.

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08-09-2012 , 08:50 PM

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The thing they rag on the most is his help defense.

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anyone watching the olympic bball game? klove is soooo bad at defense lol he refuses to rotate or help and just gave up 3 straight layups basically by himself.

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klove doesnt rotate, australia alley-oop. you know who isnt playing bad defense and has switched from guarding both 1s and 2s?

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Can we drop klove like five spots just due to this game?

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is he this bad all the time? bc wow if so

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and this is next to the greatest players in the world, and playing against big men scrubs. ffs this is one of the most pathetic defensive performances youll see. and its been like this throughout the olympics.

coach k puts some awful lineups together too.

/rant i know this aint the usa thread

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You might be surprised, but he's actually consistently worse in the NBA against better competition.

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every 6th game he is just bad rather than putrid festering crap pile

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08-09-2012 , 11:49 PM

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I dont read whatever thread that came from, and am glad.

What makes me sick is watching Anthony do anything. Why he made the team, and why he plays as a 4/5, is beyond me. I dont know where to find advanced stats to tell us what is going on in these games, but I'd be surprised if Anthony isnt by far the least effective US player.

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08-10-2012 , 12:08 AM

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Obv his value comes from helping us video game mode the all time scoring record in the Nigeria game. But yeah, I think his defense is way worse than Love's and his offensive abilities are kind of duplicated by a few other one-on-one gunner guys.

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08-10-2012 , 12:40 AM

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Tomorrow's game is on NBC so I'll get to watch it I'll be watching very closely.

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08-10-2012 , 12:13 PM

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My FB is blowing up with the Howard to Lakers trade...can't wait til they implode and we beat them in the playoffs

Edit: Go Russia

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08-10-2012 , 12:43 PM

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My FB is blowing up with the Howard to Lakers trade...can't wait til they implode and we beat them in the playoffs

Edit: Go Russia

Gl with this imo. Unless like 2/4 of them go down to injuries or Kobe decides he needs some "facetime" with a bunch of randos at the Olympics and gets jail time onetime.

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08-10-2012 , 01:14 PM

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I know it's wishful thinking...but you can't see Nash wanting to run, Kobe jacking 30 shots and HGH giving his half-hearted effort?

And my final argument for them: Mike Brown

Edit: "She wasn't that attractive"

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08-10-2012 , 01:19 PM

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Yeah, with you on Mike Brown. But I'm pretty sure a commoner such as myself could coach that team to a rang given those 4 guys stay intact. Nash can just player-coach imo.

HGH won't give half-hearted effort imo when a ring is on the line. Most wishful thinking is that Nash finally breaks down, HGH's back is never right, Pau has more g/f issues, and Kobe finds some more women who aren't that attractive.

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08-10-2012 , 01:34 PM

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In reality, they really don't have a shooter? Just pack it in and force them shoot outside maybe?

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08-10-2012 , 01:37 PM

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Yeah, I guess.....Nash and Kobe can both shoot though. I can't imagine it will be too hard for the title favorites to add a shooter somehow though.

Look at how good all the scrubs in Miami are at 3s...just need some marginal guy who can shoot when you have GOAT guys running all of your sets.

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08-10-2012 , 03:16 PM

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Yeah, I guess.....Nash and Kobe can both shoot though. I can't imagine it will be too hard for the title favorites to add a shooter somehow though.

Look at how good all the scrubs in Miami are at 3s...just need some marginal guy who can shoot when you have GOAT guys running all of your sets.

It's harder than you think. Those scrubs were only good in the finals.

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08-10-2012 , 03:16 PM

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Tomorrow's game is on NBC so I'll get to watch it I'll be watching very closely.

never mind it's NBC sports network, which I don't get

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08-10-2012 , 03:24 PM

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Halstad - If you put those scrubs on a random NBA team, what do you think would happen to their 3pt shooting %? I admit I'm too lazy to try and work it out, but I really don't think those 3 point shooters would be very effective any longer.

Of course, they ran super hot in the finals, but that's not really what I was basing my opinion on. I really should go look up %s for James Jones, Battier, Miller, etc. and compare with other points in their career and then run some sort of sweet algorithm to adjust for age and figure out a way to discount injuries and the like.

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08-10-2012 , 03:38 PM

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Rubio>Nash
Love>Gasol
AK47>Meta
our bench>their bench
Adelman>Brown

Just need Pek to rough up Howard a little, and clothesline Kobe or something. F the Lakers.

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08-10-2012 , 03:41 PM

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The injury Howard had, a herniated disc, is no joke. Martell Webster had surgery twice on his in about a year and since the injury, he's never been the player here that he was when he played for POR. I had a herniated disc a little over a year ago and have recovered to the point where I can lift weights again, but I still need to be careful about twisting and bending my torso. I dont have any data about NBA players who have played after having them - it'd be interesting if before & after stats on herniated discs was out there somewhere.

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08-10-2012 , 03:48 PM

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Rubio>Nash
Love>Gasol
AK47>Meta
our bench>their bench
Adelman>Brown

Just need Pek to rough up Howard a little, and clothesline Kobe or something. F the Lakers.

PEK won his lone battle with Howard last season.

Remember when the Lakers added G Payton & K Malone to Kobe & Shaq several years ago? They were supposed to dominate the league. They lost in the finals in 5 games to an underdog DET team that had no huge stars. The only reason the Lakers even got to the finals is because the Wolves had zero healthy PGs when they played in the WC finals. Remember Fred Hoiberg bringing the ball up court? & KG playing PG and then C on the same play? Anyways, paper superstar teams dont always shape up to be what they're supposed to be.

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08-10-2012 , 03:52 PM

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They'd be ****tier b/c they'd probably be asked to do more.
Regular season 3 point shooting
Miller - way better than his career avg
Jones - about his career avg
Battier - worse than career avg and 2nd lowest pct of his career

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08-10-2012 , 03:54 PM

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I'm not convinced the Lakers are an auto lock for the finals either.

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08-10-2012 , 04:06 PM

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oh i think OKC still has to be the favorite at this point. LAL are close though.

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08-10-2012 , 04:08 PM

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Payton/Malone isn't even in the same world as Dwight/Nash. Payton and Malone were confirmed washed up and on fumes at that point. Nash *should* be but obviously wasn't at all this last year. Dwight is peaking ofc.

I think more would be getting written if this was the type of injury that Dwight couldn't recover from. It seems he should get back to 100%. I don't really know anything specific about the differences between his herniated disc and Martell's, but yeah, if it ends up like that, Dwight < Bynum.

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08-10-2012 , 04:15 PM

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Payton/Malone isn't even in the same world as Dwight/Nash.

yeah but payton/shaq is. on paper i think that old laker team is actually better than this team.

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08-10-2012 , 04:40 PM

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I was comparing the pieces added. Kobe/shaq obv is better than kobe/gasol. But the difference in Nash/Dwight to Payton/Malone is huuuuugely weighted towards nash/dwight given how good they were the last couple of years.

Payton:

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Season    Age  Tm  G  PER USG% ORtg DRtg WS/48
2001-02    33 SEA 82 22.9 27.2  114  107  .183
2002-03    34 TOT 80 21.1 26.4  108  107  .136

2003-04    35 LAL 82 17.3 20.4  109  103  .137

nash:

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Season    Age  Tm    G    MP  PER USG% ORtg DRtg WS/48
2009-10    35 PHO   81  2660 21.6 22.9  121  114  .178
2010-11    36 PHO   75  2497 20.8 21.4  118  114  .153
2011-12    37 PHO   62  1961 20.3 19.6  115  110  .144

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Season    Age  Tm  G  PER USG% ORtg DRtg WS/48
2001-02    38 UTA 80 21.1 28.8  107  101  .155
2002-03    39 UTA 81 21.7 27.8  109  100  .182

2003-04    40 LAL 42 17.8 19.7  107   98  .151

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Season    Age  Tm  G  PER USG% ORtg DRtg WS/48
2009-10    24 ORL 82 24.0 23.9  113   95  .223
2010-11    25 ORL 78 26.0 27.2  113   94  .236
2011-12    26 ORL 54 24.2 26.1  106   96  .179

I'd say Dwight and Payton are hurt the most by having D that doesn't show up very well...but at that point of Payton's career he was much worse defensively than he was at his peak. Dwight is at his peak and a huge part of his value is D ldo.

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