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12-14-2010 , 02:22 PM

#16826

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Vlad Emilien is once again a man without a country. Hawkins replacement at Colorado pulled his schollie. He's now considering Maryland and Southern Miss. Maybe Michigan should have followed the lead of all the schools who quit recruiting him when he wrecked his knee.

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12-14-2010 , 02:31 PM

#16827

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Well, let's see... It's RR's former DC running the system that we want to run working against a big time team. No idea how that's relevant?

but it's his former DC when RR isn't there. some guy you used to coach doing well doesn't mean RR system is working.

it means once he left it's working

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n 2000, Michigan was Big Ten co-champs with the #11 offense and #74 defense.

if michigan had a top 60 defense this year we wouldn't be 7-5, thats for sure.

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12-14-2010 , 02:58 PM

#16828

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but it's his former DC when RR isn't there. some guy you used to coach doing well doesn't mean RR system is working.

it means once he left it's working

lol it's the same ****ing system ******. He had success with it when RR was there as well. See 2007: #8 defense

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12-14-2010 , 03:02 PM

#16829

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

lol it's the same ****ing system ******. He had success with it when RR was there as well. See 2007: #8 defense

a #8 defense vs. the Big East

that's what you are missing.

IT WORKS IN THE BIG EAST

IT DOESN'T WORK IN THE BIG TEN VS REAL TEAMS

god you are stupid

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12-14-2010 , 03:03 PM

#16830

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

a #8 defense vs. the Big East

that's what you are missing.

IT WORKS IN THE BIG EAST

IT DOESN'T WORK IN THE BIG TEN VS REAL TEAMS

god you are stupid

show your work or stop using stupid ****ing blanket statements like this.

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12-14-2010 , 03:06 PM

#16831

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Originally Posted by thedeezy

show your work or stop using stupid ****ing blanket statements like this.

i did

big ten teams that are all better than the big east

WISC
MSU
OSU
and probably iowa

so basically if you take the top 4 teams out of the big ten, that's the big east.

Michigan as is could finish near the top of the bottom 8 of the big ten every year.

That doesn't mean RR's system is working, it means the big east is bad

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12-14-2010 , 03:08 PM

#16832

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

a #8 defense vs. the Big East

that's what you are missing.

IT WORKS IN THE BIG EAST

IT DOESN'T WORK IN THE BIG TEN VS REAL TEAMS

god you are stupid

The stat I'm referencing is opponent adjusted. For another example, in 2007, WVU beat the **** out of then #3 Oklahoma (#12 offense according to FEI) and gave up 28 points. However, only 15 of those points were given up when Oklahoma was within 3 scores.

The system works very well outside of the big east.

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12-14-2010 , 03:08 PM

#16833

thedeezy

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

sick analysis

Your work gets a D imo

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12-14-2010 , 03:11 PM

#16834

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Michigan State and Iowa are not better than this year's WVU. MSU's 11-1 record is a fraud. Iowa is 7-5.

It's not like the b10 is a power conference this year.

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12-14-2010 , 03:15 PM

#16835

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Michigan State and Iowa are not better than this year's WVU. MSU's 11-1 record is a fraud. Iowa is 7-5.

It's not like the b10 is a power conference this year.

This is the same WVU who lost to Syracuse and Uconn ? Michigan St. isn't 11-1 good, but they are clearly better than WVU. Iowa is a bi-polar team who had locker room issues; it would depend on where and when the game was played to determine a favorite.

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12-14-2010 , 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Michigan State and Iowa are not better than this year's WVU. MSU's 11-1 record is a fraud. Iowa is 7-5.

It's not like the b10 is a power conference this year.

If MSU's 11-1 record is a fraud, you need to account for Iowa running epically bad and also giving up at the end. You can have it one way or the other (LOL bad record) or (LOL overrated).

Iowa is probably the 3rd best team in the B1G on raw strength. Although their late season collapse is mind bottling.

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12-14-2010 , 05:41 PM

#16837

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Yeah, this is reasonable, but if we take into account Iowa's real problems I don't think it's particularly close.

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12-14-2010 , 05:57 PM

#16838

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

a #8 defense vs. the Big East

that's what you are missing.

IT WORKS IN THE BIG EAST

IT DOESN'T WORK IN THE BIG TEN VS REAL TEAMS

god you are stupid

Big East was better than the Big Ten in 2007, take off the Legend-tinted glasses.

Big Ten hasn't been a preeminent power conference since 2004.

Picking up Nebraska will help, but for the last 6 years its been nothing but reputation.

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12-14-2010 , 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFeelNothin

Even if you get into the strength of the conference, the style is incredibly different. The type of defense you need to stop Wisconsin/Ohio State/Iowa is much different than the type of defense you need to stop teams like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. You can get away a lot easier with being undersized scrappy guys who are fast against those types of teams, whereas in the B1G you will get bowled over a lot.

It's more of a matchup problem and the types of players RR likes to recruit (great athlete, generally smaller in size, not ideal NFL level talent).

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12-14-2010 , 06:16 PM

#16840

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lol and we're back to straight making **** up. Fantastic.

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12-14-2010 , 06:21 PM

#16841

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

lol and we're back to straight making **** up. Fantastic.

All defensive styles are equally suited for taking on any type of offense. Good thing Dr. Ike is here to correct things!

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12-14-2010 , 06:26 PM

#16842

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Michigan's defensive issues had little to do with scheme last year. Anyone suggesting otherwise just doesn't know what they're talking about.

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12-14-2010 , 06:32 PM

#16843

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Originally Posted by TomCollins

All defensive styles are equally suited for taking on any type of offense. Good thing Dr. Ike is here to correct things!

lol I mean, you're right in one sense. Different football offenses require different defenses, but if you think that 3-3-5 can't be successful against power football teams, I'd really like you to show your work.

Your last statement, that RR only recruits small, scrappy guys is straight made up.

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12-14-2010 , 06:34 PM

#16844

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Your last statement, that RR only recruits very slow, scrappy, and character flawed guys (on defense) is startlingly accurate.

agreed

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12-14-2010 , 06:35 PM

#16845

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Ike. How did that 3 3 5 do against wiscy? Like 200 rushing yards? If rr keeps recriuting small fast players and plays with 6 up front michigan is going to get pounded by real teams. This 3 3 5 isn't going to work in the big ten. It may work in the big east but wiscy and osu type team the big east doesn't have.

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12-14-2010 , 06:39 PM

#16846

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

Go back and watch the film on how many guys were in position to tackle and how many times they just got blown up. That isn't in on the scheme.

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12-14-2010 , 06:44 PM

#16847

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Ike. How did that 3 3 5 do against wiscy? Like 200 rushing yards?

How did we do when we were putting 9 in the box against Wisconsin and knew exactly which play they were going to run? The players just weren't good enough. Yes, we need to get bigger, but that's not a reflection on the type guys that are being recruited and it certainly isn't a reflection on the scheme.

The guys, in terms of size and speed, that we are recruiting are pretty similar to the type of guys we recruited the past 15 years. The difference in recruiting is on the offensive side of the ball. And those small, undersized offensive linemen are doing pretty damn well.