Again, we were down by four points with plenty of time. We didn't have to throw the ball. Remove the turnovers and we would have had even less of whatever slight need actually existed to throw the ball. And if you really think that it's that common for a team to go -3 in a half, regardless of weather or number of points behind, I don't know what to say.

I don't know why you keep saying the bold in response to me when I haven't said a single word that would indicate that I've drawn or even attempted to draw meaningful conclusions about the coaching or our players based upon this game. The offense is objectively terrible, but we knew that prior to Saturday.

How the **** is this not getting through to you. We are down by 4 points. We are not playing Schoolcraft. It goes without saying that we aren't gonna be able to simply run down the field and get that winning TD. At the grave risk of ****ing tedium, it goes without saying that of course we're gonna have to pass to extend any drive that will result in a TD. This isn't 1902. Fielding Yost is not walking through that door.

Goddamn you are ****ing special. When you're in a tropical sideways rain storm, and you're the trailing team, meaning you have to pass in a situation where passing is damn near impossible, a ****storm of turnovers is a very likely outcome. If you are incapable of connecting these dots plz show some compassion for my pathetic life and just stop. Just stop.

Exactly. Everything we know about this team/staff, positive and negative, we knew before this game. This game is an awful data point to reevaluate any hot take we have thus far.

Again, we were down by four points. Our defense gave up a total of 22 yards on MSU's first seven series of the second half. Not turning the ball over would have given excellent field position throughout the entire half. We were having some success running the ball with Higdon. Maybe your point is that we weren't in a position to run the ball exactly 100% of the time or something. But to claim that a team that is down by four points is predestined to spew turnovers because of rain is ****ing dumb.

First interception drive of the second half, Higdon carries for 5 yards, then 6, then 6, then 6 again. Then we decide to pass on first down, get a holding penalty, O'Korn runs for 8 yards, then throws a pick.

The next interception drive ends when we throw incomplete on first down, Higdon runs for 7 yards, then throw the ball on third and three for no discernible reason, INT.

Next drive, throw on first down again. It's raining, we have had recent success running the ball, there are twelve minutes left in the game, and our inferior opponent has been able to do nothing against our defense, but hey, what choice do we have? We're down by four points.

Try explaining to a sparty how they are the inferior team


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At least none of them have tried to argue that throwing in the rain inevitably causes turnovers while at the same time arguing that you have no choice but to have your ****ty QB throw the ball in the rain if you are down by four points, all while calling someone else stupid.

We had three consecutive drives that resulted in an interception on which we had 8 carries for 40 yards while our QB went 1 for 7 with three picks and took a sack. We had to go five wide on third and three, though, because we were down four points.

Was good **** jedd really the creative mind on the staff? Just so bizarre how the offense went from new wrinkles every week to the most bland vanilla debord/carr version of it.

Have they attempted a jet sweep since the fumble vs Air Force? The fade to McDoom or throwing to McDoom in general seems like it's not a winning strategy

Youre being extremely disingenuous. Everyone who watched the game knows it wasnt just rain. That was a nightmare storm.

And how you cannot comprehend that we will not be able to just run down the field and score a TD against MSU--a competent team that is not schoolcraft that is correctly loading the box--is beyond me. Having to pass in that **** storm absolutely increases the odds of multiple turnovers tremendously.

At this point I have lost all respect for myself for even having this exchange with you. There's just no way you can be serious. No one is this dumb, and I'm even dumber for responding to you.

I'll reiterate, anyone who counts those 3 turnovers in the 2H against Michigan is a mouth breathing moron, and anyone who tries to talk sense to said moron is even more moronic.

You're wrong. We had six possessions after our last score. The first three resulted in INTs. Both unnecessary and an outlier.

and I LOLed at 'loading the box'

you weren't even paying attention

are they?

I'm just curious what weather it was when Michigan State had the ball to turn it over infinity less times than we did

anyone got a good radar loop?

But they weren't required to throw the football to our team because they were ahead, not behind, by four points.

Are you ****ing serious? Every coach in the game in gonna lloydball it up in Michigan State's spot. Up 4 in a tropical storm, where passing is virtually impossible, the strategy is simple. Play extremely conservative, and let the other team hang themselves because they HAVE to pass in an unpassable situation. And that's EXACTLY what MSU did.

Michigan State was in an ENTIRELY different situation than Michigan. The probability of them turning it over was exponentially lower then us. If Michigan had the lead once the storm hit they would be HUGE favorites to crush the turnover margin in that spot too.

This thread is seriously bad for my spirit. I now view multiple posters itt as less than human. That can't be good for me. If this was all one big practical joke to raise my blood pressure I would be happier than Girardi right now and would ecstatically tell everyone NH!

I thought it was impossible for me to hate this universe more than during that monsoon (I know it's a season and not a storm stfu). I've never been more wrong. The inkling of faith I had in humanity is now completely gone.

You know top scientists on our planet are now saying there's a great chance human life will not be supportable on earth by 2050 thanks to global warming. Like a madmax world is the best of all possible worlds then. I dont feel bad at all (for humans). We ****ing deserve it.

LOL. IT WAS AN OUTLIER SITUATION YOU ****ING SIMPLETON.

MSU was not gonna let us just run down the field and score. Keep believing we can just grind down the field when an opposing team that is not Madonna University knows you can't pass.

Post cutting the lead to four points (with 8:09 left in the third quarter, btw), not including final 34 seconds: *13 carries, 52 yards *
passing: 2 for 8, 3 INTs, also took a sack and a holding penalty on another incompletion

best defense in the country

Not only was it optimal, but mandatory, to throw the ball when we did, though.

Two of those picks would have happened in a desert.

Keep talking about how we couldn't pass while simultaneously claiming that passing was optimal.

Keep talking about MSU loading the box when they weren't loading the box.

I'm honestly curious as to whether or not you realize that there were twenty three minutes left in the game when we cut the lead to four points.

Passing was not optimal. It was necessary. And THAT was the problem. Jesus Christ.

In that weather it was an outlier and again, unnecessary.

How'd we get down 10 points in the first place? Was that because of the monsoon too?

It wasn't necessary. It's not even possible for it to not be optimal but necessary.

Just agree to disagree and move on.

You're right bro. We're Alabama and they're Madonna. We should've just imposed our will and run it down their throats. Harbaugh is a ****ing pussy.

Harbaugh made some bad decisions on Saturday.

Because **** happens bro?

I swear if I was a serial killer, people who ask completely irrelevant questions while simultaneously thinking they're clever would be 2nd on my list only to those who ask for a new setup.

The point being: It doesn't matter how either team got the lead, the team with the lead once the monsoon hit was destined to have a HUGE advantage for reasons that should be so ****ing obvious that further explanation should not be necessary for anyone with an 1Q high enough to put their own clothes on.

What did you have for lunch?