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12-29-2014 , 05:37 PM
This team has the heart of a piece of ****ing trash.
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12-30-2014 , 09:58 AM
welcome home denzel perryman
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01-03-2015 , 12:45 PM
To do list:

Cut Ellerbe
Cut Wheeler
Restructure Wake (disappeared for multiple games, not setting the edge, got Pro Bowl because of reputation)
Restructure Misi
Restructure/cut Finnegan
Restructure/cut Starks
Restructure/cut Hartline
Restructure/cut Garner
Restructure/cut Gibson
Restructure Fields
Get Caleb Sturgis some serious competition
Get Tannehill on a REASONABLE long term contract
Get Clay on a long term contract, hopefully on the cheap since he only scored 3 TDs in 2014
Get Pouncey on a long term contract. Pay him whatever we must.
Get Odrick on a long term contract
Defense focused draft needs to yield at least 1 immediate starter at LB. Draft 2 LBs with your top 3 picks. The other pick should be the best player available on the DL or at CB.
Figure out a way to get at least 1 decent starting guard.
Figure out a way to get a decent power RB.
Figure out what the **** to do with Dion Jordan. Put him at LB.

Last edited by Fantaz; 01-03-2015 at 12:52 PM.
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01-03-2015 , 02:30 PM
Are Hartline and Gibson on expensive contracts? I think they're both pretty good value receivers. They're not #1 quality, but they're good complimentary guys.

Also I was under the impression that the plan was to keep Pouncey at Guard, which gives us one decent starting Guard. Are they moving him back to center?
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01-03-2015 , 04:27 PM
Hartline is super over paid for the production last year. He's probably overpaid even if he were a 1,000 yard receiver again, which he isn't. He dropped a lot of passes. Overall, I think he's a pretty average NFL WR right now.

Gibson I think is mildly overpaid. Bottom line is the success of the Landry pick significantly changes the landscape at WR on this team. It makes Hartline, paid like a good #2, a #3 (at best) in reality, and Gibson, paid like a #3, a #4 in reality. They're OK in those roles, but not for what they're getting paid.

Pouncey has to be signed regardless or the OL becomes a nightmare quickly. Not sure where they want him to play, center I'd guess.
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01-04-2015 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Fantaz
To do list:

Cut Ellerbe
Cut Wheeler
Restructure Wake (disappeared for multiple games, not setting the edge, got Pro Bowl because of reputation)
Restructure Misi
Restructure/cut Finnegan
Restructure/cut Starks
Restructure/cut Hartline
Restructure/cut Garner
Restructure/cut Gibson
Restructure Fields
Get Caleb Sturgis some serious competition
Get Tannehill on a REASONABLE long term contract
Get Clay on a long term contract, hopefully on the cheap since he only scored 3 TDs in 2014
Get Pouncey on a long term contract. Pay him whatever we must.
Get Odrick on a long term contract
Defense focused draft needs to yield at least 1 immediate starter at LB. Draft 2 LBs with your top 3 picks. The other pick should be the best player available on the DL or at CB.
Figure out a way to get at least 1 decent starting guard.
Figure out a way to get a decent power RB.
Figure out what the **** to do with Dion Jordan. Put him at LB.
Considering restructure seldom is an option, in cutting everyone, did cap hits enter into your equation?

It's interesting the biggest overpaid bust and waste of money for 2015 is not mentioned above.

Here's what I'd do:

- fire Coyle, hire someone unproven, yet innovative and aggressive (Rocky Seto? Karl Dunbar?)
- switch to the 3-4, and rotate Jordan, Vernon and Wake on the outsides
- draft an NT and an impact FS
- take the cap hit and cut out cancer Wallace (if no buyers)
- bring back Knowshawn
- ink a decent road-grading guard in FA, draft another
- get an actual fullback on the roster

above all else:

- toughen up, stick with the run and stop running spread and gun sets on the goal-line.
- force Tanneyhill to roll out in the passing game far more often
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01-04-2015 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Considering restructure seldom is an option, in cutting everyone, did cap hits enter into your equation?

It's interesting the biggest overpaid bust and waste of money for 2015 is not mentioned above.

Here's what I'd do:

- fire Coyle, hire someone unproven, yet innovative and aggressive (Rocky Seto? Karl Dunbar?)
- switch to the 3-4, and rotate Jordan, Vernon and Wake on the outsides
- draft an NT and an impact FS
- take the cap hit and cut out cancer Wallace (if no buyers)
- bring back Knowshawn
- ink a decent road-grading guard in FA, draft another
- get an actual fullback on the roster

above all else:

- toughen up, stick with the run and stop running spread and gun sets on the goal-line.
- force Tanneyhill to roll out in the passing game far more often
Wallace is elite talent. It's not his fault coaches and the QB pretty much don't have a clue how to use him. I'm for keeping elite talent, I don't know about you. If you want to dump another great talent at WR because of the failings of the coaching staff and QB and redo the Brandon Marshall decision which was a clear and obvious mistake all over again ... I don't even know what to say. Wallace is elite talent and is not a diva. Joe Philbin already decided he couldn't make it work with the strong personalities of Bush, Dansby, couldn't make it work with Vontae Davis, couldn't make it work with Marshall, its starting to beg the question of just who can Philbin work with? What talent is this franchise actually capable of keeping? Talent sometimes comes with strong personalities, it is time to confront that instead of folding like a cheap tent and sending all that talent to another team. Whatever was reported to have happened at halftime of the last game is highly suspect and highly debatable. Methinks the Dolphins want to cut him in the offseason and made up some bull**** about Wallace quitting on his team in order to garner fan support and minimize fan disgust for the future move. Wallace has denied quitting on his team, said he wanted to go back in and I am obliged to take him at his word as he is the straightest talker there is on this team and really has no reason to lie and no reason to have wanted out of a 1 point game randomly. The Dolphins on the other hand have every reason to lie about this if they want rid of his contract.

Knowshon has a degenerative knee problem, constantly injured.
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01-04-2015 , 07:22 PM
So you didn't consider salary cap penalties for just cutting all the players that displease you. Got it.

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Wallace is elite talent. It's not his fault coaches and the QB pretty much don't have a clue how to use him. I'm for keeping elite talent, I don't know about you. If you want to dump another great talent at WR because of the failings of the coaching staff and QB and redo the Brandon Marshall decision which was a clear and obvious mistake all over again ... I don't even know what to say. Wallace is elite talent and is not a diva. Joe Philbin already decided he couldn't make it work with the strong personalities of Bush, Dansby, couldn't make it work with Vontae Davis, couldn't make it work with Marshall, its starting to beg the question of just who can Philbin work with? What talent is this franchise actually capable of keeping? Talent sometimes comes with strong personalities, it is time to confront that instead of folding like a cheap tent and sending all that talent to another team. Whatever was reported to have happened at halftime of the last game is highly suspect and highly debatable. Methinks the Dolphins want to cut him in the offseason and made up some bull**** about Wallace quitting on his team in order to garner fan support and minimize fan disgust for the future move. Wallace has denied quitting on his team, said he wanted to go back in and I am obliged to take him at his word as he is the straightest talker there is on this team and really has no reason to lie and no reason to have wanted out of a 1 point game randomly. The Dolphins on the other hand have every reason to lie about this if they want rid of his contract.
Cool story... And great work pretending the team needs to "garner fan support" for a potential personnel move.

Wallace is a one-gear, gutless receiver who never fights for the ball in traffic, nor sacrifices his body for the tough catch. You appear to confuse elite speed for "elite talent." You can't be considered "elite" when you max out at 73 receptions for your career in today's NFL. ... I'm fairly confident the Steelers knew exactly what they were doing. ... I guess you'd prefer to take the word of a player who literally had a teammate answer press questions for him after the game rather than speak himself. .... Volumes.

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Knowshon has a degenerative knee problem, constantly injured.
Yeah, they said that before 2013, too. ... Every player in the NFL is at risk of a knee tear. The "degenerative" claim had to do with his left knee, which healed just fine; he tore the right knee this year against GB. He also ran very well in limited action before the new injury. .... Meanwhile, he's tough, hungry, runs smart, falls forward, has some wiggle, great blitz pick-up, solid receiver, seldom fumbles. .... Ran over the Pats... and most important: won't command much money.

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01-04-2015 , 10:43 PM
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So you didn't consider salary cap penalties for just cutting all the players that displease you. Got it.
I have a vague understanding of the salary cap, but I'm no means an expert on it. I'm pretty sure the only real cap issues with my list is the team has to eat it and pay the penalty this year to cut Ellerbe and Wheeler, which sucks, but it is clearly needed. Your inability to discuss a football team with an anonymous person through the internet without being a condescending douche is noted, though. Got it. (I shouldn't expect any different from a Politics poster)

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Cool story... And great work pretending the team needs to "garner fan support" for a potential personnel move.
They absolutely do need and want fan support for the decisions they make. The NFL is a business that is ultimately there to make money. The fans provide that money only if they are satisfied with the product. What's a good way of making fans think the product is just as good even though you're cutting talent and payroll? Turn said talent against said fans.

Even if you don't buy that line of thinking, whatever you are buying about the Wallace situation in the Jets game is highly, highly, suspect.

Last edited by Fantaz; 01-04-2015 at 10:50 PM.
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01-05-2015 , 05:04 AM
Tannenhill and Wallace just don't seem to click

Anyway they land Larry Fitzgerald ?
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01-05-2015 , 10:17 AM
Aj is from Florida I believe
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01-05-2015 , 02:36 PM
The bengals reciever that's a free agent ?

Mike Wallace is just walking right ?
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01-05-2015 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Fantaz
I have a vague understanding of the salary cap, but I'm no means an expert on it. I'm pretty sure the only real cap issues with my list is the team has to eat it and pay the penalty this year to cut Ellerbe and Wheeler, which sucks, but it is clearly needed. Your inability to discuss a football team with an anonymous person through the internet without being a condescending douche is noted, though. Got it. (I shouldn't expect any different from a Politics poster)
Well, that's one way to admit you don't know what you're talking about. Pretend the person holding you accountable for shortsighted opinion spewing is just mean. So then you double down on your curious Wallace logic, and I'm the "douche" for showing you how ridiculous it sounds.

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Originally Posted by Fantaz
They absolutely do need and want fan support for the decisions they make. The NFL is a business that is ultimately there to make money. The fans provide that money only if they are satisfied with the product. What's a good way of making fans think the product is just as good even though you're cutting talent and payroll? Turn said talent against said fans.
Pretty sure 1/4 of that stadium is empty most every NFL sunday, has been for decades. They continue to not seem to care, and cut players to receive (in their view) value. I agree with you on Vonte Davis... But not so much on Marshall and Wallace. The sooner Wallace is running empty vertical routes for another team and not fighting for the ball, the better.

He's not an elite receiver. Period. Yet, he's in line to be paid like one. That's just not good business.

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Even if you don't buy that line of thinking, whatever you are buying about the Wallace situation in the Jets game is highly, highly, suspect.
Though not nearly as suspect as 1) insisting he's an "elite" talent; nor 2) taking his word for it - through Gibson, anyway.
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01-05-2015 , 08:58 PM
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Well, that's one way to admit you don't know what you're talking about. Pretend the person holding you accountable for shortsighted opinion spewing is just mean. So then you double down on your curious Wallace logic, and I'm the "douche" for showing you how ridiculous it sounds.
Didn't admit I don't know what I'm talking about. I can see why you are a banned and hated poster in other forums though.

Exactly what is curious about my thinking on Wallace? My story sounds far more plausible given the current information than Mike Wallace just magically wanting to abandon his team for absolutely no reason at half time of a game the Dolphins were WINNING.

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Pretty sure 1/4 of that stadium is empty most every NFL sunday, has been for decades. They continue to not seem to care, and cut players to receive (in their view) value.
I promise you they care. If they want rid of Wallace's contract, they want to do so while minimizing the impact it has on fan's opinion of the product.

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Though not nearly as suspect as 1) insisting he's an "elite" talent; nor 2) taking his word for it - through Gibson, anyway.
It's debatable how good Wallace is. I am of the opinion that he is a very good WR. Probably not on Marshall's level, but very good. This isn't known by Miami fans because, once again, for the millionth time, the team and the personnel has failed to fully utilize him. Getting rid of him this offseason is making the mistake we already made with Marshall all over again. Tannehill while vastly improved just has not figured out how to get him the ball down the field. Yes, he is overpaid based upon being under utilized. At some point this team is going to have to not just acquire but RETAIN talent. Reggie Bush, Dansby, Davis, Marshall, Smith, Soliai. You cannot continue to cast out talent from this team because of vague/perceived unconfirmed and unverifiable personality quirks.

Make it ****ing work or sign up for more mediocrity.


Last edited by Fantaz; 01-05-2015 at 09:21 PM.
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01-07-2015 , 01:22 PM
soooo tannebaum is about the worst hire i can possibly think as of right now.

the issue is clearly the owner. which blows. not really something that's going to change any time soon. the phins are doomed.
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01-07-2015 , 03:10 PM
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soooo tannebaum is about the worst hire i can possibly think as of right now.

the issue is clearly the owner. which blows. not really something that's going to change any time soon. the phins are doomed.
Its curious. Starting to think Ross is a pushover. It seems like Dawn Aponte can do whatever she wants. Doubles her pay out of the blue a year ago after participating in dramatic infighting, now her friends get highly placed exec positions. I can't see what else this is about. I like Hickey so far, hopefully he is allowed to do his thing.
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01-07-2015 , 09:15 PM
Yeah this move blows my mind
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01-09-2015 , 08:08 PM
Offensively, we need a redzone receiver, or TE, or both. Were full of chain mover guys, Wallace, Clay, Hartline, Gibson. We don't have that big guy who can catch the ball in tight spaces by being more physical than the defender. We don't have that and we can't score in the redzone. We also need better o-line depth.

Defensively, I think Coyle needs to go. When Philbin came in he just hired all his buddies as assistant coaches instead of putting on a search and finding the best available talent. The best coaches on this team are the ones who got there through other means, Lazor, Benton, Rizzi.

The team really wanted Todd Bowles as the DC when they hired Philbin, but Philbin said he's hiring his own staff and gave the job to Coyle. Bowles would go on to be an amazing DC in Phoenix and will be a head coach in the coming weeks. Coyle meanwhile has regressed this defense big time. His zone blitz schemes are outdated and ineffective. Time to search for a real defensive mind.
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01-09-2015 , 08:24 PM
My 2 cents on Coyle is, I don't know how much blame he has in the defense's downfall. I attribute the defensive downfall to the following:

1. Players are getting old. (Starks, Wake, Grimes?, Finnegan)
2. This team has had to dedicate the majority of draft resources to offense lately. (Last years draft: OT, WR, OT first 3 picks.)
3. Wheeler and Ellerbe were horrible signings and horrible players.
4. Allowed some solid players to leave. (Soliai, Langford, Davis, Smith, Dansby, Burnett)

Talent retention on this team is non existent.

Is Coyle a part of the problem? Maybe. But this defense has a lot wrong with it beyond Kevin Coyle. We can play the coaching carousel game until we're blue in the face but this is not going to get fixed until we get and KEEP better players.
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01-26-2015 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Considering restructure seldom is an option, in cutting everyone, did cap hits enter into your equation?
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Originally Posted by Fantaz
I have a vague understanding of the salary cap, but I'm no means an expert on it.
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Well, that's one way to admit you don't know what you're talking about. Pretend the person holding you accountable for shortsighted opinion spewing is just mean.
Miami Dolphins can easily clear $40 million in cap space this offseason
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01-27-2015 , 06:58 AM
Brent Grimes looked pretty damn fine in the Pro Bowl, was in the discussion for defensive MVP of the game. Nice to see him getting some exposure even tho it's only the pro bowl.
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02-27-2015 , 11:32 AM
Bye Hartline
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02-27-2015 , 10:54 PM
Hartline pro bowl next season guaranteed
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02-28-2015 , 01:50 AM
Yeah no
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