You forgot ARSB who needs steel plates and weird tapes inserted in his shoe to let him finish the game. Who knows how close to 100% he'll be for the next month.

Yesterday was BRUTAL. I cannot believe we got 1 sack against 2 backup tackles. FWIW I thought Geno was beyond sneaky-good, I thought he made the right decision nearly 100% of the time (the awful sack in the 4Q the only exception), and was slippery - he was 75% the reason we got pressures but no sacks all game. Then he delivered the ball perfectly in big moments like 1/2 a dozen times (and we gave up wide open receivers 1/2 a dozen more).

If you want to be glass half full: a) Goff mostly played well; b) it's very hard to win when you lose the TO battle 3-0 and we came close to doing so (we also gifted them 4 extra points on CJGJ's absolutely, unbelievably stupid post-tackle shove in 1Q when they would have had 2nd and goal from the 18); c) there doesn't seem to really be any dominant teams in the NFC (remembering Dallas has whupped a bad NYG team and the Rodger-less NYJ) or really the NFL outside Miami. We're probably still favorites for the division.

But to get 4-5 starters pick up moderate+ injuries and to come away with a loss - yikes. I'm not saying the season jumped off the rails yesterday, but if this turns into a season-from-hell then we'll definitely point to yesterday as the start of it.

Fuuucccckkkk now I'm hearing CJGJ possible torn pectoral which is usually season ending surgery territory.

Team got run through the meat grinder yesterday. Offensive production was still good thankfully, so I do agree there's some glass half full there. CJGJ was always sort of a luxury FA pickup that shocked everyone. We've got some depth at safety that can hold the fort down. Although we need better play from the backfield, especially if the pass rush struggles.

Nice bounce back win last week. Now let's take the North. FTP.

It's happening

They drug them out to the deep and drowned them.

Crazy how good the defense looked while missing both starting safeties, a starting CB + Pascal, Houston and Okwara

Jamison Williams back on Monday! I still can't shake the uneasy feeling he may underwhelm but at least we should see what we have over the next couple months.

Would be great if the Lions can move between smash-mouth, 40 carries a game and 350yd passing games based on how the opposing team tries to defend them.

From what little we've seen and heard of Jamo I'm a bit worried about consistency. Given the draft resources put into him there's going to be some subset of fans that will never be happy unless he's in the Tyreek Hill/Justin Jefferson class of receiver, and I don't think he is.

But if he ends up being a good field stretching WR2 deep threat pulling in 600 yards that's pretty good.

I worry about his routes and his hands. Look at a guy like Josh Reynolds. Not the fastest and doesn't get a ton of separation but Goff knows exactly where he will be and if there's a tiny window he can fit the ball in he will make the throw and Reynolds will snag it. He has made some beautiful catches this year even though he's draped in coverage and can't get any YAC. Jamo has the ability to turn those same plays into 6 if he can get on the same page as Goff. This is on Goff as well but we've seen how quickly Goff has taken to guys like St. Brown and LaPorta.

Williams will be a bit player at most this season and maybe next as well. He'll be good for a gadget play and a deep shot or two per game, but for the most part he's going to be a non-factor. Goff has such a rapport with St. Brown, LaPorta, Reynolds, etc that it's hard to see them shifting too many targets his way.

This team is now legitimately good. They are playing good teams close and curb stomping bad teams.

I don't love that we gave up three 75-yard drives to a bad CAR team at home, and particularly in the 2nd quarter I wanted more out of the defense. But, that is a heck of an offensive showing, moving past a couple of easy drops and without ARSB.

2 big road games coming up. I kind of hate that a (maybe?) surprisingly-good TB team gets the bye ahead of hosting us at home. I would sure love some of the DNPs from this week to be able to suit up next week. I expected the line to be a pick-em, was surprised to see we're 3 point favorites on the road being so banged up.

Yeah but it was mostly garbage time drives when they were trading points for clock. I also think Bryce Young can still be good. He looks like a rookie but you can see the talent.

This is the 2nd week in a row that I bet Goff over his passing yards and came up short because they got too far ahead and just abandoned the pass.

Another shitty team played, another 2 score win. The last time the Lions were decent they still had a bad habit of playing down to their opponents. This is a lot different.

There are so many amazing things happening with this team. The sizeable, loud, honolulu-blue contingent of fans taking over parts of opposing teams' stadiums? Are you kidding me?

And that Craig Reynolds block is a play-of-the-year type play.

This is so much fun.

I sure wish I had bet Campbell for COTY pre-season. Lot of football left and McDaniel could very well end up winning it even if the Lions end up with 12 or 13 wins, but man seems like a really good chance for Dan looking at our schedule.

Last week I was surprised Lions were favored by 3; this week I'm surprised we're a full 3-point underdog @ BAL. I was thinking more like BAL -1 or -1.5. It's a tough game, but I do think we've been a better team so far, at least by a little bit.

What was going through my head during that play. "Looks like he's gonna be stopped well short. Oh, nice cutback! Maybe he can get a few extra yards around the edge to set up a spot to go for it on 4th and... HOLY **** WHERE DID HE JUST COME FROM!?!?!?. Wait we scored a touchdown too?"

Yes it appears so

You're allowed to get your ass handed to you once per season. You get one. You just used it. Gotta be better from here on out. I don't need them to be 15-2 but you can't have more than 1 game like this.

Interesting spot IMO.

We have beaten nobody this year other than KC. And, I get that our fan base gets all huffy about asterisks, but winning @ KC by 1, when they are missing Kelce and Jones, and they drop an absurd 8 balls, does not "count" the same way an @KC win should "count".

Other than that we've beaten a bad packers team, a middlin'-at-best falcons team, a worst-team-in-the-league panthers team, and a bucs team who just lost at home to the aforementioned middlin' falcons.

Meanwhile we lost to the seahawks, and have had the doors blown off like few times I can remember against the only other playoff-caliber team we've played. So we're 1-2 vs. playoff teams, with the 1 win helped a ton by luck (both player availability & drops).

OTOH, I think we'll be favorites every game until W17 @ DAL (maybe pick'em or 1-point dog @ 2-4 LAC?). We could end up 12-5, or even 13-4 or 14-3, and still not have a great sense of what the playoffs will bring (or worse, have all the evidence pointing to disappointment if DAL were to beat us bad).

Overall, this morning I am able to feel much better after a disappointing game than normal. Even if we're more like 2nd-tier, or even 3rd-tier, and not potential 1st-tier like the media had anointed us last week, that's still such an incredible improvement from where we were after Patricia. We've got a lot of young guys contributing, if we can keep adding starter+ quality at multiple positions every draft we should be competitive beyond this year.

But that's not saying it wouldn't have been cool to live up to the hype yesterday.

Apparently Goff is not the same when a game is played outside, in weather.

This.

Talking to a friend--who is not a Lions fan but is surrounded by them)--about this game, he declared confidently that THIS result should make overzealous Lions fans put on the breaks. I actually disagreed. I think Lions fans should keep their optimistic foot(s) firmly on the gas pedal UNTIL the Lions actually have a SOL moment which imo they have not had yet. Vs the Seahawks--a very good and dangerous team as we all know--the Lions made an inspirational 4th quarter comeback and basically lost the game due to a coinflip. That's not an SOL moment at all. And having a bad week on the road against a very good team is also not an SOL moment. This is the NFL. That's gonna happen to everyone. So for the hopeful folk who think this could be a magical season everything is still on schedule as far as I'm concerned. Now IF the Lions somehow drop the Raiders game then we would officially have our SOL facepalm moment. Until then there's no reason to get negative.

This is the way I see it. I don't bother to think about what tier this team is. I think about two things:

1) Have there been worse teams than this team that have won the whole ****ing thing? Answer: Yes, 1980 Raiders, 2000 & 2012 Ravens, 2007 & 2011 Giants, all come to mind as teams probably worse than this rendition of the Lions.

2) Are there any Goliath type juggernauts out there that are impossible to beat. Like some of those Dallas and San Fran teams in the 90s for example. I would say no. The teams in the league that are better than the Lions still seem very beatable to me. Like none of us would be very surprised if the Lions beat the 49ers or the Eagles in the playoffs ime. Those teams are simply not THAT great.

This is why there's no reason to not stay positive. Everything is lined up this year. The schedule is super easy. Lions are gonna sleepwalk to a division title. 14-3 is a real possibility. It's almost November and we still haven't experienced a genuine SOL moment. Lesser teams have won the SB and their are no invincible Goliaths out there. LETS ****ING GO!!!

We lost to a division champ on the road who cares

Sure we beat trash teams but we have destroyed the trash teams. Beat the SB champs on the road and we're better than Seattle for most of that game

Whatever. Get to 6-2 and the bye and the division is still easily ours.

Yep. Say what you want about Cowherd, but he had a pretty good take. Ravens are one of if not the best team in the NFL and NFC teams who play against the Ravens usually trip over their dicks like this because they have no idea how to deal with Lamar. It's going to take more than this loss to prove Detroit isn't a good team. They're 8 point favorites over the Raiders. Take it to them on Monday night to silence the critics.

I also feel like the rebuild is ahead of schedule. 2 years ago this team was at rock bottom looking like they were about to go 0-17. My expectation was that this would be the season that they'd start contending for a playoff spot. So for them to be closing in on mid-season being talked about as SB contenders in year 3 is impressive.

I do want to talk about a few concerns I have though. 3 of our last 4 first round picks come with question marks.

- Jamo looks bad. He's a track star that seems lost on the football field. 0 catches on 6 targets with one really bad drop. He's a first round wide receiver in his second season. Good players in his spot are usually chasing a 1000 yard season, not struggling to catch a pass. I'm a bit shook on this one.

- It's right to question the value of the Gibbs pick. He looks OK but you don't take Deandre Swift 2.0 at 12th overall. While we do have to get used to rookies being brought along slowly on a deep roster, I'm not seeing the type of playmaking ability you would need to justify that draft position.

- Jack Campbell is still ?? to me. I love the idea of a game wrecking off ball linebacker. They do exist. But they are fairly generational players. Ray Lewis, Luke Kuechley, Brian Urlacher, Bobby Wagner etc. Ever since I saw what Deandre Levy did in a couple elite seasons I've been chasing that high. But unless Campbell is him, that may be another questionable pick.

Thankfully it looks like Holmes knocked it out of the park with Branch and LaPorta, so that takes some of the sting off possibly missing in the first. And they are deep enough to overcome some of these injuries. Even if they can't close the deal this season, I'm still willing to give them one more offseason to complete the rebuild. But by that time this will be 99% Brad and Dan's teams and there's no excuses.

Now we have to worry about Minnesota. FFS purdy why you pick today to start sucking balls.

If we are up 2 games with 3 to go. Don't want to SOL it up and get shredded by kohl's cash man to lose it all

Nah, if we let Minny back in the race we deserve it. It was an impressive win but they are a 500 team. I'm still holding out hope for the #1 seed.

Seriously - Minny win was the best scenario for Lions. They still get a chance to beat Minny twice and remove any hopes they have of playoffs while every SF loss increases the chance you may be playing them at home in the playoffs.