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12-12-2011 , 02:12 AM
mark cuban for owner!
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12-12-2011 , 02:45 AM
Someone on my facebook said Miles lost that one throw in the lights and let up running and that it really wasn't a bad throw. Is this true?
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12-12-2011 , 04:13 AM
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Is there anything worse than being a cowboys fan this decade
Mmmmmm, maybe suns. So since I'm a huge fan of both I can double your misery.
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12-12-2011 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Thundercat32
le gonso,

to be fair i think ware and jenkins aren't playing anywhere close to 100%, probably not much above 80%, if that.
That's no excuse at all. Every team in the league has injured and hurt players including the Giants. In fact we're one of the healthiest teams in the league, and we went out there today with our original 11 starters on defense and zero defensive players on IR. And Butler's been here, plus we just made Scandrick a multi-millionaire.

Ware missing a few plays + and one corner on the team getting dinged up shouldn't equal giving up 37 points. Giants I can understand maybe playing that card with 6 backfield players alone on their IR list, and today Osi was out, Kenny Phillips was out, linebackers too.

The fact is this team just isn't good enough to consistently get it done with the personnel we have. No way to spin it.
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12-12-2011 , 05:39 AM
le gonso,

those are all good points. maybe, what i should have said was: "for this defense" having ware and jenkins banged up is a big deal.

gone are the days of teams that dominant both sides of the ball the way the early 90s cowboys did. you either have your packers/saints/patriots types that are absolutely dominant on offense and patch it together on defense, or you have your ravens/49ers/bears types that are relatively dominant on defense and are mediocre on offense. i guess you could make a case for pittsburgh being fairly well rounded, or even a team like the texans at full strength or hey even the giants.

so, is what you're saying, why are we spending money on the defense when we should look at fine-tuning the offense into a packers/saints/patriots like juggernaut and then patch up the defense after that; especially, if spending money on the defense is just going to result in us being mediocre, anyways? because, i'd be on board with that. i wouldn't mind spending money/draft picks on o-linemen and telling this offense go out and get us 35 every sunday, and then try to hold the other team to just 28 or less.
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12-12-2011 , 07:02 AM
just heard something disgusting on the cowboys' post game show on the ticket. norm had this note; eli manning dropped back to pass 47 times last night, and the cowboys managed 0 sacks and only 2 hits even! those 2 hits came from barry church and victor butler.

M.I.A.s: ware/spencer/hatcher/coleman/ratliff/spears/lissemore
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12-12-2011 , 07:27 AM
they just made another really good point on the post game show, and it goes against what you were saying, le gonso. 13 points in regulation really should of been enough to win the game in arizona; this team just can't seem to put it all together i.e. @ jets, det, @ NE, @ ariz, and NYG.

we've been held to 20 pts or less 5 times this season compared to none for green bay, once for new orleans, and 3 times for new england (2 of those 3 times were 20 pts exactly). so, the defense isn't really the only ones, or even the main ones, responsible for our woes. after thinking about it tonight, i'm definitely in favor of putting a slant on the offense and just try to outscore folks.

too bad we have a bottom 5 gm in the league at our helm
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12-12-2011 , 10:27 AM
Fact is, with our talent we're probably a 9-7 team coming into the season. Assuming a league-average loss of manpower due to injuries, variance probably puts us anywhere from 7 to 11 victories. Losses like this one are excruciating, and maybe I'm rationalizing just so I don't feel so bad, but I think this is just the kind of team we are.

As far as Romo goes, I still like him a lot and would take him over most QBs in the league. When he retires I think we'll look back on his tenure here fondly. But it just seems like there are too many games where we have to say "Hey, he didn't cost us the game, his [insert late-game mistake here] was only part of the reason." There are other QBs that have the ability to play nearly flawlessly in games where there's no room for error, and he's not one of them.
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12-12-2011 , 10:42 AM
you know what, i've kinda listened to this town criticize romo and thought yeah it's somewhat warranted even though i think the guy is crazy good, and he's probably my favorite nfl player. the truth is, romo is pretty bad ass, and he doesn't get a lot of help. where is drew brees if sean peyton isn't there running the offense and the saints aren't making finds like colston and graham and bringing in ppl like sproles. nobody wants to blame jerry because a) he spends money (even if he does so foolishly) and he has a hard on for the cowboys so that's to be commended and never criticized, and probably moreso because b) everyone knows jerry isn't going anywhere, so it's more fun to bitch about what is possible: getting rid of romo.

let's flashback to last week. romo drove the team down the field and garrett screwed up (even though the degree of the mistake requires i substitute screwed with another word, a four letter word, that fits with up) by not calling timeout and running another play to get bailey in position for a closer fg. say garrett does call a timeout, the cowboys run murray for 4 yards, bailey doesn't have anything "weird" going on before his kick and he hits a game-winning 45 yard FG. now, add to that his play last night. where was his big mistake? the ball to austin? austin said he lost it in the lights. i saw highlights of the play after the game and that's how it looked to me. regardless, he went down the field and got the cowboys in position to tie the game and sent it to overtime. he threw 4 TDs and had 0 picks for christ sake. he played more than well enough to win both of these last two games, and if the cowboys had won nobody would be talking about romo's failures. which granted, that is a tired argument, but in this case i believe it's applicable. the man simply can't control if a receiver loses a ball in the lights or not, or if his coach "fouls up" the last 26 seconds of the game.

it's time to stop bitching about romo. if he had the pieces around him like rodgers and brees have i sincerely believe he'd deliver similar results. the fact is, the o-line is awful still, dez bryant still has a long way to come, miles austin has been anything but a beacon of health and romo has been running for his life ever since he stepped behind center vs the giants 5 years ago.


edit: i realize brady has never had much surrounding him, but hey nobody is tom brady that's an insane standard to hold someone to. also, if the cowboys' front office were one-one hundredth as smart as the patriots' front office then maybe romo could win on his own too in big D.

Last edited by Thundercat32; 12-12-2011 at 10:48 AM.
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12-12-2011 , 12:04 PM
I mean Romo has been a top 5 QB this season, so yeah


IDK what happens to the defense at the end of the game. they did a great job holding the NYG earlier, like on the short field from the safety, and the super short field from the Felix fumble. Eli as good as hes been this year had nothing but yards and an INT until the last 5 minutes (280 and INT)


But so far they haven't stopped a single team from going down the field at the end of the game to score. Not 1.
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12-12-2011 , 12:47 PM
I wonder how much of the problem in the last 5 minutes was defensive playcalling. It just seems to me that the first TD drive could have taken way longer if we played "trade yardage for time", took away the deep/sideline routes and let them have a steady diet of 7-8 yard gains up the middle. Other than the 3 plays they took to get the first 1st down, our secondary was giving up huge chunks of yardage on every play...are we that bad, or is it the scheme?

It felt to me that we could have whittled the clock down enough that the Giants would be forced to onside kick, or at least to the point where even run, run, run, punt on our end would give them a minimal chance to score. The fact that they scored 2x so fast that we actually had time for a final drive is uber-LOL.

Last edited by GMan42; 12-12-2011 at 12:56 PM.
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12-12-2011 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Thundercat32
le gonso,

those are all good points. maybe, what i should have said was: "for this defense" having ware and jenkins banged up is a big deal.

gone are the days of teams that dominant both sides of the ball the way the early 90s cowboys did. you either have your packers/saints/patriots types that are absolutely dominant on offense
You can't build a 90s super team under the cap, no, but you can manage the cap a lot better over the long term and net more overall talent than we have. That's something Dallas just hasn't done well.

They consistently give out unnecessarily long contracts to aging players, they reward mediocre players, and year after year it puts them in a dead money hole because they have to void deals halfway through and constantly restructure. Meanwhile other teams not drowning in dead money year after year are able to bring in good veteran help or at least fetch some extra draft picks.

It's very frustrating because they had a great opportunity in 2010 to clean up the balance sheet. The season was lost and everyone but the Jones's knew the cap was coming back. If they had we would have had no problems bringing in several quality free agents, Nnamdi/Jonathan Joesph, Cullen Jenkins, Weddle were all out there and we'd have had no problem signing them.

But that chance is gone, fine, water under the bridge. But they don't have to keep repeating the same mistakes.
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12-12-2011 , 01:16 PM
Also the way Romo is playing I'm pretty much writing off people focused on him and "his" December record as idiots. He's been absurdly good especially over the last 6 games and not turning the ball over at all. 15 TDs and 2 turnovers while completing almost 68% of his passes is sick, and he also drove the ball down the field the last two games in critical spots even if the kicks weren't good. It's not him. You can't ask a QB to give you better than he has but there's a lot of other areas on the team that should be called into question. Of course some of these mouthbreathers can't see beyond the passer when they watch games so I guess it's all on Romo.
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12-12-2011 , 01:16 PM
i would have given my left pinkie finger to have had Nnamdi join this team
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12-12-2011 , 06:57 PM
lg,

yeah, but what are you saying about the shift to an offensive focus? because i thought i was reading something into your earlier comments that we should focus more on the offensive side of the ball and less on a defense that isn't very good; no matter how much money we throw at it.
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12-12-2011 , 07:05 PM
the entire defense just needs to be reworked

Ware is the only threat for a pass rush
Jenkins is the only long term corner worth anything, Newman is good for now I guess
Lee and Carter will hopefully be great
Sensabaugh is solid, rest of secondary is garbage


Dline is the key i think, need to get somebody opposite ware that can rush the passer or get some production in the middle like ratliff provided 3 seasons ago
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12-12-2011 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Thundercat32
lg,

yeah, but what are you saying about the shift to an offensive focus? because i thought i was reading something into your earlier comments that we should focus more on the offensive side of the ball and less on a defense that isn't very good; no matter how much money we throw at it.
What post are you referring to?
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12-12-2011 , 10:23 PM
We have a power house offense if we get some interior linemen.

On D I think Ware, Spencer, Lee, and Ratliff are obviously fine. We need more from the ends. Brooking/James are done. CB jenkins and scandrick should be fine. Newman can go up against the bigger slower receivers but he cant cover quick speedy guys. I think were ok at safety too.

My biggest concern is that Rob Ryan doesnt make adjustments. Its great to have all those fancy blitzes but when you get no pressure try something else you dumb ****.
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12-13-2011 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Le Gonso
What post are you referring to?
idk, maybe post 717, but just in general i thought it was the "feel" of what you were saying the past few days
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12-13-2011 , 03:31 AM
Literally just double team/chip DWare all game and the Cowboys D is utter aids. Spencer not being able to put pressure 1 ****ing on 1 absolutely crushes us.

At this point we just need to say **** defense and draft 10 offensive linemen and hope a couple are elite. If were going to be mediocre on D year in and year out why keeping wasting picks on that side? Do one thing really well and you'll pretty much be a lock to win 10 games.
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12-14-2011 , 08:24 PM
I was SCREAMING at the tv for Ryan to stop blitzing. rediculous
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12-15-2011 , 05:37 PM
lol sam hurd
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12-16-2011 , 01:48 AM
this guy has some good thoughts imo


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12-16-2011 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Le Gonso
lol sam hurd
it could be lol cowboys here in the next 48 hrs, depending on who was "involved" with hurd.
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12-16-2011 , 01:02 PM
Would be pretty shocked if any key players on the Cowboys were on drugs.
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