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07-14-2010 , 02:27 PM

#1651

jtown1010

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Wren is a legend if he can get the Yanks to make a Vazquez for Lowe + Blue Jays prospects deal.

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07-14-2010 , 04:49 PM

#1652

Borgland

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Same deal as with Francouer- it's addition by subtraction. Cutting out a cancer improves the overall health. And to me Yunel still isn't a proven talent. He's been up and down his whole career. At least with AGon you know what you're getting. Don't know anything about the minor leaguers but Atlanta usually only trades for prospects they think will produce for them and they are usually right.

And for anybody who thinks this is a racial thing by Cox and Wren-LOL.

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07-14-2010 , 04:50 PM

#1653

Borgland

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Oh, and damn what a surprising trade. Never saw that one coming. Wren played it close to the vest. Good for him.

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07-14-2010 , 04:52 PM

#1654

Coff

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I think its a racist thing by Cox and Wren.

Nah, but really, when you say you know what youre going to get from AGon (lol btw) youre talking about a .300 OBP and about 5-7 HRs in the 2nd half right? RIGHT?

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07-14-2010 , 04:54 PM

#1655

Borgland

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Getting nervous huh?

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07-14-2010 , 04:57 PM

#1656

CalledDownLight

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Dont like the move.

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07-14-2010 , 05:02 PM

#1657

Coff

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Getting nervous huh?

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07-14-2010 , 05:03 PM

#1658

Borgland

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LOL! Getting a little touchy-feely there.

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07-14-2010 , 05:05 PM

#1659

PocketChads

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Originally Posted by SoulPower

based on numbers or a 'donk running hot' gut instinct?

It's the numbers that show Gonzalez is a donk running hot.

It's the numbers that show Escobar is at least as likely, and probably more likely to perform well in the 2nd half than Gonzalez. Escobar has a BABIP 40 points lower than his career average. He's been hurt. Sample size of a half vs. 3 seasons. I could go on and on.

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07-14-2010 , 05:13 PM

#1660

PocketChads

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I would rather start Omar Infante at SS than Alex Gonzalez.

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07-14-2010 , 05:19 PM

#1661

Borgland

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I would rather start Omar Infante at SS than Alex Gonzalez.

Someone said earlier ITT that they don't want Omar exclusively at SS because of his versatility and I got to agree with that. I'll find and quote it.

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07-14-2010 , 05:25 PM

#1662

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Someone said earlier ITT that they don't want Omar exclusively at SS because of his versatility and I got to agree with that. I'll find and quote it.

Heh, are you talking about me saying that?

I still say that. I would rather have Omar Infante be a supersub. That is the role I would like to have him play.

But not if there is no better option at SS, and right now, I don't believe there is. I was saying that I hoped the Braves acquired players better than Infante so that they could start them instead of Infante. So far, they have not done so.

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07-14-2010 , 05:28 PM

#1663

Borgland

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Heh, are you talking about me saying that?

Oh yeah that was you and sorry I misunderstand what you were saying this time. D'oh. Nevermind.

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07-14-2010 , 05:57 PM

#1664

Borgland

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It looks like they want to see how McLouth does before trading for a CF. If Wren really means "this is the bat we were looking for"(/paraphrasing) then maybe no new CF this year, and they're going to use a platoon. Then Bring up Schafer when the roster expands and maybe next year he will take over.

If Chipper does retire Infante could play 3B if there's no permanent replacement by then, AGon is signed for one more year at SS. Then after next season they move Omar back to SS and have a permanent 3B.

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07-14-2010 , 06:02 PM

#1665

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Hopefully they have a better plan for SS by then. If I recall correctly, Omar already has below average range for SS, and that will only decrease with age.

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07-14-2010 , 06:15 PM

#1666

SoulPower

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

AG is having an above average season and will continue to do so. Yunel was given every chance in the world to improve his attitude and performance and chose not to. He made it obvious he did not care about being the franchise SS. He also sucked this year. Were Frank and Bobby supposed to just accept his attitude and make an exception for a mediocre SS? The Braves, as a whole, are better off. My wagers are open to you as well.

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07-14-2010 , 06:18 PM

#1667

TJ Eckleburg12

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Not sure if want Alex Gonzalez, yet,

But it sounds like getting rid of Yunel was necessary, and I can accept that.

Would have liked to have gotten more, but Yunel being a head case isn't exactly a secret, so this might have been the market.

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07-14-2010 , 06:23 PM

#1668

SoulPower

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Originally Posted by Borgland

Frank Wren said they will continue to try to improve the club up until the trading deadline, so I'm guessing that means they'll be looking for a good deal on some power, but let's face it - McLouth probably isn't going to turn it around too much at this point. I sure hope Schafer turns it around, but he is doing really poorly right now.

I don't think Infante is an everyday SS. I'm guessing the Braves are hoping to exercise the club option on AG for next season and hope that Edward Salcedo makes quick progress and can be ready in two years.

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07-14-2010 , 07:46 PM

#1669

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I love how you think that offering that he will beat his historically crap numbers means anything. Worst case scenario for you, its probably close to 50/50. Will you bet that he beats Yunel's numbers?

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07-14-2010 , 07:48 PM

#1670

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I don't think Infante is an everyday SS. I'm guessing the Braves are hoping to exercise the club option on AG for next season and hope that Edward Salcedo makes quick progress and can be ready in two years.

Salcedo make be listed as a SS and playing there now, but for planning purposes he is practically a 3B.

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07-14-2010 , 08:05 PM

#1671

SoulPower

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I'm talking second-half numbers above career average. Your bet is ridiculous.

I'll also bet AG has better 2nd half numbers than Yune in a majority of categories if we can agree on the categories.

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07-14-2010 , 08:22 PM

#1672

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Oh, sorry, I didn't see that. For sure, I would do straight OPS or WAR.

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07-14-2010 , 08:33 PM

#1673

SoulPower

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lol - seriously? we can bet on a player taking a majority of categories, not a single category. i'm not trying to derail this thread, so if you're serious PM me.

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07-14-2010 , 09:47 PM

#1674

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I honestly don't know what to think about the trade. My gut absolutely loves it but my head doesn't.

I just have a feeling that this is gonna work out very well for the Braves. Even though it's obv it's a less than optimal trade in a vacuum.

Braves are 52-36 right now? I bet they go 50-24 in the 2nd half. Not kidding. I'll quote this post on Oct. 3rd.