I think he's allowed at the facility per the new drug agreement that reduced his suspension. So not a vacation.

This is either

A) collusion or

B) a perfext example of why you try get away with some lowball trades

I love how you fail to mention that the guy with Graham also has Gronk AND Cameron as TE's on his team, and that if he didnt make this trade his starting RB's would have been Talifaarrro and Pierre Thomas along with Cameron at Flex position.

The fact that you don't mention his roster means:

A) You have no concept of how roster makeup dictates what trades you need to make.

Or

B) You have a sadly desperate need for reassurance

But go ahead and keep on 'fuming' LOL

Jimmy for Spiller/Welker is like not even in the realm of bad trades I've seen. I wouldn't even consider clicking my veto button for a second on that really.

It's always funny when people get mad at those trades that favor one side but it is clearly not collusion. Happens all the time in a league I run; I think it's jealousy that they didn't try to trade with the fish first.

So, you not only drafted 2 of the least important positions in FF but you drafted a kicker that couldn't even play for 1/4th the season? C'mon man...

And rostered him for 4 weeks. I'm LOLbad but that's LOLAwful!

So whats the problem again?

trading a first round player for 2 guys who wont even go in the top 50 is the problem. its a complete joke. its not a ppr league btw

Seems the player that traded Graham really needed a RB bad and Spiller was the best he could do. Why didn't you offer him something for Graham?

i tried to trade with the fish many times. he refused to do any trades with me. when he had only one starting qb in a 2qb league i offered him cousins or locker for gronk.

rather, he made a trade with his same partner. he gave up gore and bridgewater for hoyer and the raiders rb. i thought that was fishy too. i mean, why give up bridgewater there? he only had 2 qbs at the time so he would still need a qb for byes. gore should be plenty to get hoyer.

beyond that, there is already a precedent in this league for vetoing trades the particpants think are lopsided. i had one vetoed last year.

heres the trade they vetoed last yr

i give up aj green, gio bernard, carson palmer ,jason snelling
and get
cam newton, chris ivory, roddy white and percy harvin

Hate when people won't make trades with you even though they are equal or better than whatever else they can get.

Also stupid when non-collusion trades get vetoed; that's part of the fun of fantasy, trying to make trades with desperate teams, and if they are getting vetoed, I would want no part of that league. Sounds like it's time to quit this league.

mostly, tho it is my fault. i knew there was something fishy with this league last year after all that bs and i shoulda stayed away.

problem is that i had been successful and that clouded my judgement.

when he had no starting qb in a 2qb league i offered cousins (or locker)/vereen/gordon for graham.

When he traded Bridge & Gore for Hoyer & Jones drew/DMC Bridge was not even playing at that time, Cassell was. So he was getting a starting QB (he only had one in 2 QB league) and a small downgrade at RB.

Stop trying to twist things to make yourself sound like you're not clueless. Luckily, I am here to set the record straight so these people know what they're dealing with.

who cares if he wasnt starting? he was obv gonna start in the future so there was no reason to give him up. the guy only had 2qbs, so he needed fliers on guys who might start soon for his byes. bridge had a ton of value to him.

you shouldnt have vetoed the trade last year that was obv not collusion and it wasnt even unfair. if you are, then i damn well will point out trades that actually are unfair.

people will def know what they are dealing with in your leagues. a commish and participants that bully others while making lopsided trades. after looking back over the history of trades in this league, there is little doubt in my mind this is collusion and it has been going on for some time.

at first i thought it was just one idiot but your protestations made me a bit more curious.

I take extreme offense to this as I have run this league for ten 10 yrs and never had such an accusation. The guy in question is in his first year in the league and he came from 2 + 2. I know only one person in the league IRL (1 yarders) and I've never once traded with him.

Even the other owners in the league are saying the trade looks fair:

"Given his depth at TE (he can slide Gronk in now, not bad at all, obviously), and his lack of RB/WR depth, I'm okay with the trade. I certainly did a double take when I saw the players involved, but the rosters make it well within reason imo"

"Subscription site I use has their rest of season values fairly close. Graham's is slightly higher than Spiller's/Welker's but with one side needing depth it is def close enough to be reasonable."

Look, Im sorry you're all butt hurt about this guy not excepting your trade of Locker/vareen for Graham (LOL) where you tried to rip him off, but seriously GTFO.

What pisses me off is, fine if you fell it is "The worst trade I have ever seen in my life" (as you posted on our league board) then fine go ahead and veto it, nobody give a ****. But to try and influence the rest of the league with your insane ramblings is bush league at best.

You thought you were just going to post "OMG look how bad this trade is", without posting any variables, and nobody would call you out, well guess again bud.

And now that the majority is saying that the trade looks reasonable, you are like a cornered dog and lashing out. My advice would be to shut it down before you make even a bigger fool of yourself.

WTF are you talking about? I was sticking up for you after people were complaining about your ******ed trades. Here is EXACTLY what I wrote last year:

"Victor has been in the league several years and has always made unorthodox moves. He has always been one of the most active owners and it is obvious he spends tons of time analyzing his team to try and make it better. I've often felt like he over-manages and has "fancy play syndrome" when it comes to FF, but that is his perogative, and he has won this league before, so he obviously has a clue on what he's doing. This is one of those spots where hes doing something way against the norm, but in all honesty if he felt he was a huge underdog this week (which he probably was) then reshaping his team for the final 4 weeks to be as strong as possible, while giving up on this week, could actually be a smart move. In his opinion, what's the point in keeping his team in tact so he could lose by 20-30 pts this week? Keep in mind that he was 2-6 with those players he's trading, so it's not as if he's disassembling the '99 Rams offense or something. I went back and looked and in our history, and twice teams have made the playoffs going 6-7, so it's not like he's giving himself no shot.

Everyone needs to realize that because a trade looks unfair to YOU doesn't mean its unfair to those that are making the trade. People often have to give up too much to fill a need, but that doesn't mean there is collusion or something. Real life sports teams make terrible trades all the time that end up screwing other teams. The Minnesota Vikings traded like a zillion draft picks to get Hershal Walker from Dallas years ago because they felt he was the missing piece they needed. Well, of course, Dallas used all of those picks, along with their own, to build a Dynasty. So Minnesota pretty much screwed over every other team in the NFL with that trade. Some of you also get fooled by big name players who no longer have big time results. Roddy White is about as close to useless as anyone in this league, but people somehow think he's still valuable because he's Roddy White. I love the two-QB league because it creates a much more interesting dynamic than only having one QB, but it also creates more unusual trades, and everyone needs to keep that in mind.

I take a close look at every trade and transaction to make sure everything is on the up and up. Believe me, if I suspect someone is cheating it will be addressed. While some of these trades are bad trades that doesn't mean something nefarious is going on. Someone said "this sets a bad precedent". No, it does not at all. This does not mean someone can bench all of their players and say "well Victor did it'. Victor has made a strategic decision which kinda sucks for many of us (including myself), but there is a reason behind it, and FF is a selfish game so he needs to do what he thinks is in the best interest of his team.

It seems as if some of you expect me to do something. What exactly am I supposed to do? Do you really want a commissioner that goes around changing peoples rosters and reversing trades?... Think about that for a moment. I have always dealt with things fairly and try to have as minimal of an impact on the league as possible. I have made tough decisions in the past when they have needed to be made, and felt they were the most fair decision I could make. I've also always encouraged everyone to bring up any rule changes or anything else they want and we can vote on it.

That being said, if people want to bitch about different trades and stuff, they have every right to do that. It just seems people are letting their emotions get the best of them and not seeing things objectively.

Sorry for the ramble, please let me know if you have any questions or comments via the board or even send me an email if you like."

SO the guy that posts THAT in your defense last year, you're now going to accuse of being shady. What a piece of work you are.

lol 2 ppl in this thread have said its terrible.

its a completely awful trade and i stand by it. after all the bs from last year it is quite clear what kinda thing is going on in this league. and yes, i am going to try to influence the league when something like this happens.

the fact that you are so angry and "lashing out" is pretty much proof of your collusion.

its cool. its only 500 and ive won a decent chunk in this league. hey, mebbe i will get 2nd. proly not, as i fully expect plenty more terribad trades to go thru.

ya my terrible trades that allowed me to outscore the league by a ton of points over the course of the 2nd half of the season and get 2nd. ok bruh. terrible trades.

We have a veto system where everyone has veto powers (It takes 4 people I think)

Please dont ever play in our league again. You are insane and a liar.

heres the last thoughts by a guy who quit the league last year. shoulda heeded his warning.

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fan...y-trade-values

this is Richard from CBS Fantasy

his trade chart has Jimmy Graham at a value of 31

Spiller and Welker are at a value of 13

I know you might lol this guy or whatever...but if this is a FF football "casual player" this might be the type of stuff he looks at.

i mean..also, if he is going to gain two starters by giving up graham and replacing him with gronk essentially...and possibly be able to play a WR instead of a TE in his flex...I dunno. He is sort of gambling that Gronk is healthy by the end of the season.

so say he moves from 14 points with graham to 8 points with gronk...then upgrades rb to 8 points and wr to 8 points. I dunno. seems like he might be able to make up the difference if his team is so strapped.

he should have been able to get better value for graham...agreed. but this seems more like a guy who remembers how highly rated spiller and welker were last year or something. I think it's enough to raise an eyebrow...but I wouldn't sweat it too much.

re: "One guy gets Demaryius and McFadden for Mike Glennon and then some bonehead gives up Jamaal Charles for injured Jay Cutler. Sick league you guys have here."

haha...maybe I spoke too soon. if that happened last year and you're still playing there, that might not be a great idea