from my very small experience in 6 pt td leagues qbs seem to be undervalued in drafts because everyone is so focused on rbs. In general rbs are important and consistent but i think they are overrated pretty bad in 6 pt td and 1 pt ppr leagues. I am looking at the playoff teams in my league and we have Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Ryan/Manning/Freeman as the 6 playoff teams atm


The RG 3 should have made the playoffs cuz they got value every where else early and got RG3 in like the 6th but his team got decimated by injuries. I think it was similar last year. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal though maybe it just happened to be that way, but RBs lose a lot of their value when receivers are getting 1 pt ppr as well.

Before the draft I convinced myself that in the off chance brady or brees falls to me I'd snap take them at 10. Not sure what happened, but I remember right after I took MJD I realized it was a mistake and praying brady would fall to me at 15.

I don't understand why you need that many WRs; 5 of your first 9 picks?

I wouldn't take a QB pick 15, generally, unless it was 6 pt passing TDs or nobody had picked a QB yet. Personally I didn't like Stafford this year because I don't trust non-RBs that have had only 1 good year. But really, he's doing essentially the same as he did last year outside of TDs, which are subject to high variance.

Sounds good. BUF has tough matchups coming but that may be good for Chandler getting targeted in the RZ and Tamme's more involved. Marshall and Welker are nice keeper options, depending on the draft picks involved.

More importantly, and 34's post gets into this, having those high-target options can save you from WR variance from now through next season, if you don't have to give up too high of picks and what others are doing with their keepers.

This is making me think there should be a keeper thread. My keeper league is re-drafting everyone because too many owners are changing, but 'tis the time, and I'm seeing more keeper scenarios popping up. I think those in keeper leagues would get more value banging ideas off of each other with that focus.

Great post. There's a difference between pre-draft ranking and war room ranking. The former is where you value players, their production, and value over baseline stuff, but the war room type of stuff alludes to being prepared for situations where each round shapes your roster. Every mock draft gives me the valuable lesson that I suck at the latter and need the practice to better prepare, scrutinize more often, minimize margin of error, and maximize the value of each pick.

Early as this draft discussion is, we're getting into keeper value, too, though.

Question: in deep PPR formats, how should we be valuing WR2s (bottom half of the top-25) against low-end QB1s and high-end flex RBs? How about 12-team standards with two flexes? 10-teamers with one flex?

These are tough questions I face in mock draft evaluation that shape those middle rounds about which 34 is mentioning. I'd like to hear thoughts on this because I never get to these answers outside of thinking situationally and wonder if I'm missing something crucial in my approach.

Well put. To the defense of those who drafted Stafford in that high-mid-2nd range, though, Schwartz doesn't call runs, Best was concussed, Leshoure was suspended, and 5,000 yards is difficult to pass up when Tron is the WR1 on the squad.

I, personally, was reminded of the mistake I made with Matt Schaub after he won me two championships with his big year and Mark Brunell (BITD when 16 points-per was much bigger for QBs) and I overrated them for the following couple of years. So that made it easier for me to be more cautious with Stafford.

Same goes for WRs. Everyone learns the lesson the harder way somewhere along the line.

It's 6pt for passing TDs and its a keeper league. So I could potentially keep stafford in the 1st for the rest of his life or I could keep MJD and Stafford 1&2. Not sure if I'll keep either one of those bastards.

WR's in PPR or even .5ppr seem to be really undervalued compared to RB's. Most of the top WR's in our .5ppr league are outscoring most RB's by quite a bit. The flip side is there are no RB's available where as you can get a Andre Roberts or Josh Gordon off the WW who have decent value.

Is there anywhere that does playoff projections on all possible outcomes/scenarios for ESPN leagues?

I have sweats in 3/3 of my money leagues and would love to see exactly what needs to happen in order for me to clinch.

That shouldn't be too difficult to figure out on your own.

def agree at least that's the way it has been this year but it's my first ppr year

Generally, no. I have a league with 4 6-6 teams fighting for 1 spot and a league with 5 5-7 teams fighting for two and I dont feel like looking up past match ups. Call me lazy I guess.

The value of RBs is more in scarcity (points over baseline), as you note with the example of the quality of WRs on the WW vs. that of RBs. Also, more flexes in a league breeds more RB ownership, where you can never have too many RBs; whereas the 2RB/3WR leagues create situations where you can definitely have too many RBs after four.

In a league with two flexes, PPR, I probably still stock up on RBs, but that's because the scarcity also raises their trade value through the roof.

Jason Babin was waived by the Eagles. PHI's upcoming schedule: @DAL, @TB, CIN, WAS, @NYG.

Any meaning here for QBs or anyone else on these teams in those weeks?

After this week I'm on bye before round 2 of the playoffs. I currently own Bradshaw, Lynch and Richardson in a league where we start 2 RB's.

Should I bother picking up Wilson? I have 4 roster moves left.

What other roster moves do you plan on? I'd say Bradshaw's a good person to handcuff, as well as another Def possibly

Eagles pass d is awful with or without babin so any qb is a good play IMO

Lol. Parmele on IR. Good thing I dropped Rashad for him.

lol... in a league where i really only had 2 viable RBs ive lost McGahee, Hunter, and Parmele the last 2 weeks.

About to lose Reece too. gg.

Every ****ing day after work i open this thread and see bad news. I again lose another player. The bad part is I dropped rashad for him to.hand cuff mjd. Rashad was already picked up prior to the game and I lose Parmele. FML

Next year I am definitely going to post ITT or start a thread about keeper adivce for some help with my keeper choices.

This year I could have kept payton manning in the 6th and tony gonzalez in the 15th round, but didn't. Instead I decided to keep kevin smith, titus young, & victor cruz in the 14-16th rounds. This coming year I would have been able to keep all those players in the same rounds too.

lol agree, team name is haters gano hate tho so had to

Weird spot in one league this week. I'd like some opinions on whether or not this is collusion.

sorry for the tl;dr

4 teams are locked into the 3-6 seeds, one 7-5, 3 are 6-6. 1+2 get a bye.

Team A 7-5 1400 pts
Team B(me) 6-6 1523 pts
Team C 6-6 1521 pts
Team D 1500 pts

I play team C this week. Team D is a virtual lock to win vs worst team itl. Team A is a 20 pt dog according to projections. I would much rather play A or D 1st round than C.

I was planning to bench my whole roster and take a 0 this week taking the 6 seed in the hopes that one of the following scenarios happens, which would result in me playing A or D.

-A upsets in his mathcup securing #3 seed
-D wins + puts up 22 more points than C

If I played my normal lineup either myself or C is getting the 6 seed(assuming D wins his matchup which he will cuz his opponent is god awful). The other likely ends up w the 3 seed(myself or C), because based on matchups I really think A is going to lose(his team sucks besides D. Martin and the team he is playing is pretty good just running bad).

Here is where it gets interesting. Team C's owner is one of my best friends, we talk about ff alot. Don't remember exactly how it started, but we had the following convo earlier today. Paraphrasing obv.

Me: I wouldn't be surprised if you crush me this week.
C: Dunno about that I think I'm benching Julio.

As I'm processing this I realize, who benches Julio vs the Aints.

Me:You're throwing the game aren't you, thats what I was gonna do!
C: Norm McDonald from Dirty Work NOOOooOOOoo!


So we figure out if we tie 0-0 we most likely take the 5+6 seeds. So final record would be

A: 8-5/7-6
D: 7-6/ 6-7
B+C: 6-6-1 or 7-6/6-7 w very few pts scored this week

Only way I would have to play C is if both A+D both lose AND A outscores B/C winner by 120+(B+C both have players on mon if nec) seems unlikely as D's opp is so bad + A's general suckery.

How would you feel if you saw a 0-0 tie that infuenced playoff seeding in your league? It doesn't feel quite right to me, but I wanted some unbiased opinions before I said no. Really wish we hadn't discussed this and both of us benched our lineups anyway ugh.

If you think this is Collusion who does it hurt? Does the fact that it's mutually beneficial make it collusion?

manage your team to benefit yourself the best you can. dont discuss fantasy strat with your opponent you are trying to outsmart

It is collusion if you both make an agreement to throw your games. If you decide to do it on your own it's still slimy, but not nearly as bad.

I don't believe in karma, but losing on purpose is most certainly HORRIBLE karma.

Is Forsett Fosters handcuff or is it still Tate?