Yeah, I suppose they don't have KQ, KJ, QJ, QT there.

Look at this MASSIVE error. Calling a ~ pot size bet with two pair on this board/blind on blind. And look what nonsense they have!

Says their turn pot is a 9% frequency play.

I'd recommend you use snipping tool or gyazo to take screenshots.

I wouldn't worry too much about what snowie does on rivers... Also it looks like you have 68o in the big blind and I'm not quite sure what the action was, but you probably messed up preflop.

Snowie open limps the SB a pretty good amount of the time. That makes it pretty easy to end up with weak hands in the BB going postflop when the SB open limps. I mostly agree with your other 2 bits of advice.

Limped pre. I pot flop, pot turn, am c/r pot on turn.

Okay. Well I don't really study limped ranges, so I can't provide much feedback with regards to that, but I will state that when you're using software such as snowie you should put less credence into its results the further into the game tree you go and/or with any "weird" actions.

Ok, thank you.

I'm curious why, so frequently, the EV of a bet and a check are the exact same.


For example, I open AK, get 3 bet from the bb, and flat. A65, they pot I call. Turn 3, half pot, I call. River 9, they check. How could it be that a check and a quarter or half pot bet from me have the exact same equity?

It's the principle of indifference. The BB will defend against your bet such the bottom of your value range is indifferent between betting and checking back.

This principle forms the basis for most of game theory,. Any hand that is mixed between two actions in fixed equilibrium necessarily has the same EV for both actions, which is why you see it everywhere.

Any news about the Windows new version?

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Many good pros (and top computer programs) can beat Snowie, and this is a fact.

There has never been at time when Snowie was the favorite over good HU players.

You are misinformed, or someone from Snowie is not telling the truth, about no one wanting to play Snowie (for the implied big enough bet) with enough hands in the challenge.

Lots of HU specialists would crush Snowie over a long enough sample-- and HU is Snowie's best game.
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The Jungleman match was, I think, only 1,500. hands and it was widely reported that Jungleman won the match, though I personally do not know
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All of that said, many good players have at one time or another studied with Snowie and have good things to say about it, including Educap0ker.

Using it as a leak finder or taking a peek at multiway pots are some Ideas.

It helps if you understand poker well enough to know when and when not to take Snowie's leak finding recommendations.

Bottom Line:

Team Snowie ain't gonna play any good human or top computer program for big money in a closely monitored challenge-- at least right now.

Maybe someday if they improve their program... who knows?

Actually in their last blog they've announced new improved bot that evaluates things differently not by EV.But as they've said,over long sample of hands and against various strategies Snowie is up 7bb/100.For example Pluribus also had pre defined stipulations, 200bb deep,always resets to 200bb etc.If u think like that maybe Pluribus results were missguiding.

I spelled most everything out for you. You may want to reread what I wrote.
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Pluribus is a different discussion but within it's constraints is stronger than Snowie. Look... online, for many years, there have been bots stronger than Snowie.

It does not matter for this discussion if Snowie can compile a "self-reported" plus score over a relatively weak player pool.

It does not matter for this discussion what "future improvements" the Snowie claims are on the way.

I am not knocking Snowie and you can see some of my positive comments in my prior post.

Again: Realty.... many strong humans have always been large favorites to crush Snowie over a large sample.

Many humans have always been available to play Snowie for big money.

Quite a few programs exist that would crush Snowie and Snowie has year after year not participated in AI competitions.

I suggest you pay less attention to what Snowie marketing says.

As an aside, way back Snowie marketing was incorrectly using the words Snowie and Game Theory in the same sentence but stopped after being continually called out.


+ All of that said, many good players have at one time or another studied with Snowie and have good things to say about it, including Educap0ker. This is happening less and less, though.

Using it as a leak finder or taking a peek at multiway pots are some Ideas.

It helps if you understand poker well enough to know when and when not to take Snowie's leak finding recommendation.

I like Snowie and hope it's programmer's can bring in many much needed improvements.

In fairness to Snowie, they usually have a seven day free trial.

I suggest anyone interested in Snowie take the trial and ask questions in this form, to see if Snowie is for them.

Noted players like Educap0ker, Janda and Zeljko Krizan have used Snowie as well as a friend of mine who is a good player, as either a study tool, leak finder or practice opponent.

Zeljko Krizan used Snowie a lot when he was coming up the ranks and once recommended it it up to and including 200 NLH.

Also, Snowie is quick and easy to use.


In my last two posts, I was trying to dispell what I think are incorrect ideas about Snowie, not trying to disuade anyone from trying the product.

I'm just starting the trial and I can't find a way to drill the same hand over and over again. I want to do things like play ATs UTG FR repeatedly while the other players are dealt fresh cards for each new hand. If choosing my hole cards is really not available in the "custom" mode, I'm shocked. Help?

I hadn't even considered such a function, but sounds like a great idea!

Yes. Also, new Beta version is great

I just started using the latest version and I like it. I wanted to use it right away after a short learning curve. I don't remember what it was about it last I used the software but I remember not wanting to use it rather quickly, rather, now I found wanting to make more time for it and keep learning how to use it better. Well done in many ways!
There are many small features and UI improvements that would make this even better to study. I will probably send a list to support email and hope for the best.

Is PIO solver still worth as an investment when you already own PIO solver? The only benefit I see would be to play a bunch of hands and mark the ones which I'm uncertain about, and the use PIO solver to go more in depth and see if PIO actually agrees with Snowie. I'm not sure about the benefits using Snowie when I already own PIO. But perhaps someone could convince s me the opposite.

I have GTO+/Flopzilla combo as study software. Snowie immediately gained use for the auto import and review for sessions. Enjoy the training software for scenario study and random play against different setups. The preflop advice is interesting, I don't have much to compare it against so I am still considering what it is showing. Those are the situations that I really like snowie for so far - do recommend it.

Can you multi table when training with Snowie yet? Don't think you could last time I had a sub

Looks like they've added this in Pokersnowie 4, as well as showing postflop range advice as a hand matrix
https://www.pokersnowie.com/blog/202.../pokersnowie-4

Good to know they're listening to their customers

How accurate is the free Poker Snowie preflop advisor https://www.pokersnowie.com/preflop-advisor.html compared to GTO generated preflop charts? I noticed that they seem to differ somewhat in their evaluation.

How well does Snowie perform according to GTO when we use bet sizes other than the predefined ones, which are 0.25x,50x,1x, and 2x pot. Because I noticed that in the new version 4, you could set custom betting sizes, but is the neural net trained for those sizes?

Why do Snowie still using the 1-pot 3bet OOP when solvers preferes a bigger 3bet sizing around 11-12 BB?