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Originally Posted by Carla_
No, i'm asking whether a Nash equillibrium strategy for NL holdem needs to use call, check or raise without shoving. There are Nash charts for push/fold decisions heads-up yes, so makes me wonder: if you always only either push / fold, you are forcing your oponent to either call (allin) or fold, so shouldn't there be such a strategy that is optimal?
I also asked this on poker.stackexchange and if the answer is correct, this is wrong because the other player can raise on the button: https://poker.stackexchange.com/a/11191/7829
The stackexchange answer seems pretty good, so I'm not sure exactly where your confusion is.
Push/fold Nash Equilibria are not full game equilibria. Push/folding forces you to play hands suboptimally which would have preferred to raise with a smaller sizing or limp. For example 44 is probably not a profitable shove 100BB deep, so you'd be forced to fold that hand for 0 EV when you could have raised it to a normal amount for +EV.
Edit: On stackexchange you're suggesting that a strategy which is >= 0EV against any other strategy would be optimal. That's not true. An optimal strategy maximizes EV against its best counterstrategy. You want the most +EV strategy, not just any strategy that wins money.