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Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but the basic MDF calculation doesnÂ’t apply to this scenario because there are still cards to come and nearly every hand in your opponentÂ’s range will hold some amount of equity. The basic MDF calculation is modeled from a simple river situation in which all bluffs hold zero equity. You can use MDF in the scenario outlined, however you will need to modify the calculation slightly to account for the equity that the bluffs hold. In short, you can use the basic MDF calculation on early streets as a guide, but itÂ’s important to note that you should always defend less than this value since all hands will hold some amount of equity.
Thanks this is good to know.
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Right. These facts donÂ’t discount the importance of considering your range the best you can. After all, itÂ’s a game of incomplete information.
Absolutely
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The example provided doesnÂ’t quite work. YouÂ’re applying MDF to a range of hands of differing equity. The basic MDF calculation assumes that all hands in the bluffcatching range hold equal equity.
I did not know this. But my post wasn't so much about MDF as it was about any approach of "calling enough hands here". So with MDF or without, your calling range there would probably look pretty similar to what I chose in the equilab screenshots, and it would be affected by the opponent's removal just as significantly. Thus you'd think you're calling down optimal, but you'd be not calling enough. Like I said in another post, this example wasn't so good because you don't have anything to call him with anyway. But if he had AJ there, you'd be getting exploited.
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Therefore, once you know that your opponent is only jamming 5x pot with QJ, you wouldnÂ’t now call with a hand lacking the necessary equity, such as QT to meet MDF.
I don't know if we're on the same page here, but knowing what your opponent does isn't exactly theory based approach. If I knew for sure my opponent does X I wouldn't even consider my range in the first place, I would simply weigh my current holding against X. So I do agree with your point obviously that we wouldn't do it if we knew, but my post details a situation where hero plays a strategy where
he doesn't care what opponent does. A la Doug Polk style.
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Also, and surely someone will correct me if IÂ’m wrong, but you would only call at MDF across the hands that hold enough equity to call.
Didn't know this. So in my example you'd be calling tremendously less than me, because many of the hands don't even count towards MDF as they're not bluffcatching material. Further you'd call even less than that because as you said villain's range still has equity as there are cards to come. Out of curiosity, what would you be calling from the range I posted?