When to not raise with nuts?
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 5,547
Hey guys,
I was playing a HORSE MTT and saw another player call a reraise on the river when he had the nuts (AQJTX rainbow + non-pairing board). He had KJXX and his opponent had 89XX in Omaha 8.
Obviously he played it wrong by not capping the action, since he had absolutely nothing to lose.
My question is regarding a similar situation in cash games.
The situation:
You're playing a 9 handed $0.10 - $0.25 PLO cash game. Everyone folds except you (SB) and your opponent. You call and he checks. The board is AQJT5 with no flush possibilities out there. You bet out on the river (holding KJXX) and your opponent raises you pot on the river.
If you are 80% sure he has boardway as well, is it correct to only call here sometimes considering you would lose money from paying rake if this is a chop?
This also happens in stud hi/lo when the guy with a full house caps the action against a guy with 4 lows showing.
Thanks
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,596
well MAYBE a raise depending on the rake, but I guess i would just call here. i'd be a lot more than just 80 per cent sure the other guy has broadway unless he's some kind of idiot
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,502
If you are concerned about rake, you need to consider the size of the pot. If there had been betting before the river, and now there is a pot bet and a pot raise, the pot is possibly at the point where the rake has been maxed. And if not, the additional rake will be very very small.
Therefore you should definitely bet. If he is bluffing, he'll fold, and rake is irrelevant. If he has the non-nut straight or a set he'll probably fold, and rake will be irrelevant. If he calls with a chop, it shouldn't cost you very much - and possibly nothing in additional rake. But what if there is a 5% chance that he has one of those other hands, and isn't smart, or hates to be bluffed, or whatever, and calls. If your risk is very low or nothing, it is worth the bet.
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 635
Well, some situations I just call with the total nuts, but that is very extreme cases and when the rake is kinda high relative to pot etc.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 6,092
I can think of one situation in hold'em that comes up once in a while where I don't raise the nuts.
I have a hand like J3 in the BB and there are a couple limpers to me and I check. the flop comes AKT and it gets checked around. The turn is a Q putting two to a suit on the board. I bet and a person raises me who I'm positive wouldn't reraise without broadway. No reason to reraise here as at best we are splitting and at worse he is freerolling with the nuts plus a straight draw. Of course if you have the flush draw to go along with the straight and you think your opponent will call you should jam it. And if the pot is really small like the previous example and your opponent goes all in after your bet it might be best to fold depending on how much it is.