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03-24-2008 , 03:26 PM

Cali Kid 71

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do you call with any 2 cards. Example: You are in SB with 7-2 off, would you call with 7x pot odds?

Let me add, I am often in the SB and have a few limpers in front of me, usually I will call with any solid cards (6-5s, etc) when I have 7x pot odds. Is this logical?

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03-24-2008 , 04:59 PM

dualaces123

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No.

Even with 7 limpers and a BB who is always going to check, you aren't going to want to limp here with bad hands. Remember, you're going to be in worst position for the rest of the hand. Even if you flop trips or bottom two, with all of the people in the pot you still have a lot of negative implied odds. Limping in is going to get you in a lot more trouble than it is going to win you money.

Speculative hands can definitely be played. By that I mean low pp and suited connectors/1-gappers

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03-24-2008 , 06:42 PM

R Gibert

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There was very a similar discussion at fullcontactpoker where Negreanu defended his decision to limp with Q8o.

In the hand he discussed, limping with Q8o as the SB was a clear decision according to DN. I didn't and don't get it. Out of position, multiple players, it would seem to me you would have to hit the flop pretty hard to have a real hand.

And he did hit the flop pretty hard making trip Qs and wound up folding when the flop overcaller bet the river after everybody checked the turn IIRC.

And when your hand doesn't hit, trying to outplay that many players still in the hand from out of position seems a difficult proposition to me, but then I'm not DN.

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03-24-2008 , 06:46 PM

thrasher789

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Its a clear and easy situation for DN becuase he's insanely good at getting away from marginal hands postflop but extracting large value when he flops two pair or better, he can play almost any two cards becuase he can get away from the pot when he's losing but might have the best hand and makes sound plays when heh as the best of it.

For the average player there isn't much value in limping atc just becuase the pot is offering sick odds, but speculative hands play fine for obv reasons, they generally win a large pot or are folded before showdown for small losses.

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03-24-2008 , 06:48 PM

Cali Kid 71

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What if you are getting 11-1 pot odds? Would you be able to limp there with 7-2 off? You could always flop 7-7-2. My point is, at what pot odds do you call for a chance at a monster?

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03-24-2008 , 08:22 PM

WilGil

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I disagree. With huge pot odds you can call in almost any situation. There are no two cards your opponents can have that's not giving you odds to call. Even if you knew your opponents had big overcards and overpairs...you are still getting odds. The problem is getting away from marginal flops. Even if you flop top pair or flush draws or straight draws...you have to know when to fold, which is no easy decision. If you don't feel confident in your post-flop play...then just lay it down.

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03-25-2008 , 12:01 AM

Macs

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Originally Posted by Cali Kid 71

What if you are getting 11-1 pot odds? Would you be able to limp there with 7-2 off? You could always flop 7-7-2. My point is, at what pot odds do you call for a chance at a monster?

You need at least 11:1 pot odds. But now the question is, is it possible to get 11:1 pot odds? How?
(By the way, 7-2o is not the weakest hand, 3-2o is.

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03-25-2008 , 12:53 AM

mickeyg13

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Originally Posted by Macs

You need at least 11:1 pot odds. But now the question is, is it possible to get 11:1 pot odds? How?
(By the way, 7-2o is not the weakest hand, 3-2o is.

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If there are enough limpers, you can certainly get 11:1 pot odds from the small blind. If there are 4 limpers plus the BB plus the SB, it seems there are 5.5 BBs in the pot, and you'd need to call .5 BBs...

If you are heads-up against a single opponent, then yes 32o is the worst. If you are facing multiple opponents, the slightly increased chance of 32 making a straight make it slightly better than 72o...

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03-25-2008 , 01:39 AM

noteye

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if your in the SB 1/2 the bet is in already so with 7 players you getting in a 5/10 game $75 for your $5 so it is 15/1 so I would call with anything.

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03-25-2008 , 04:19 PM

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johnnyironboard

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Originally Posted by Cali Kid 71

I'd raise or fold with it- unless you flop four of a kind you're never in the clear with that hand.

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04-01-2008 , 12:44 AM

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Dropkick Murphy

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Generally, I'll limp with almost any two cards with that great of odds. If I don't flop 2 pair or better, I just throw them away (I didn't call 11-1 pot odds cause I thought I'd win the hand, I called 11-1 pot odds cause I thought I'd win the hand like 8% of the time...) <--- as long as you remember that... it's generally easy to get away from a mediocre flop.

if the odds are right, the odds are right. Just can't be scared of screwing up your post flop play on a mediocre flop.

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