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10-19-2015 , 10:07 AM
I was reading another thread and there was a question of when to squeeze. One member thought squeezing OOP was better, while the other said he only squeezes in position in order to play the hand better post flop. What are your thoughts here? Is it better to squeeze in position or OOP? Obviously having position is a big factor in any play, but is squeezing considered one of those moves that is better done OOP?

Thanks
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10-19-2015 , 11:09 AM
Imho position is probably the least important factor in a squeeze play. Much more important are the players involved, your image, and any history.

One thing I will say is that you're probably more likely to be squeezing opens and calls that come from late position because they'll meet the conditions for squeezing more often than opens from early position. In that regard it may be more likely that you're squeezing from the blinds, so you'll be more than likely oop for the remainder of the hand.
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10-19-2015 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
I was reading another thread and there was a question of when to squeeze. One member thought squeezing OOP was better, while the other said he only squeezes in position in order to play the hand better post flop. What are your thoughts here? Is it better to squeeze in position or OOP? Obviously having position is a big factor in any play, but is squeezing considered one of those moves that is better done OOP?

Thanks
It somewhat depends on your image, your cards, and, of course, your opponents. if your intent is add equity to your drawing cards by semi-bluffing (for example, open raising with J9s), position would be desirable. if your intent is to naked bluff and take the pot preflop, raising out of position looks stronger. If your opponents have shown a tendency to want to see flops, squeezing from out of position could get very expensive.
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10-19-2015 , 08:22 PM
In general u should try to steal when your opponents range tends to be wide.
Say, the CO raise and BTN calls, u have Ax on SB, u may try to steal the pot with a 3-bet since u block some combos of strong hands and your opponents likely have wider ranges.
Also, if u have a HUD, look for opponents who like to flat raises in position,
Also PT4 has a stats on folding to a squezze, só be atent to it, since Its one of the main forms of info on how your opponents react to this play.
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10-19-2015 , 11:48 PM
On top of what everyone else has said I offer my 0.02 :
If the following criteria are met I will consider squeezing;
-If a loose player opens UTG/MP
-If a nitty/tight player flats him
-I'm either on the BTN or in the blinds
-My hand isn't complete garbage (A7o+, KTo+,Axs,Kxs, SC's, of course all premium hands too...)

This shows a lot of strength and the nitty call will be under pressure to call another raise.
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10-20-2015 , 02:11 AM
when u have QJs OOP.
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10-20-2015 , 03:16 PM
I think squeezing is probably the most frequency-based play in all of NLHE. The quality of your cards don't particularly matter (other than blockers) because the size is generally large enough that the opener needs to 4-bet or fold and the callers are generally too weak to call. The profitability of your squeeze is directly proportional to the perception of how often you're doing it.
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10-21-2015 , 09:08 AM
When they're going to fold of course.

Somehow, it seems that whenever I squeeze, the preflop coldcaller calls me with TT.
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10-22-2015 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
I think squeezing is probably the most frequency-based play in all of NLHE. The quality of your cards don't particularly matter (other than blockers) because the size is generally large enough that the opener needs to 4-bet or fold and the callers are generally too weak to call. The profitability of your squeeze is directly proportional to the perception of how often you're doing it.
wait , are you saying we should never defend by calling against squeezes? what are you doing with hands like QQ or JJ?
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10-22-2015 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Summoner500
wait , are you saying we should never defend by calling against squeezes? what are you doing with hands like QQ or JJ?
I was using the word "generally" very generally. Of course you can expect your squeeze to be defended by a call some of the time, but immediate fold equity is a key aspect to the profitability of the play. Also with deep stacks this all goes out the window and the postflop playability of your hand will matter a great deal. Consider a 100bb scenario:

1/2 six handed, all players have 200 stacks.

ep folds, mp folds, co raises to 6, bu calls, sb folds, bb reraises to 28

There are very few hands in CO's opening range that can flat 22 for max EV, providing we're not squeezing an insane frequency. Basically hands like AQ KQs KJs QJs 99. Any stronger hand makes more money 4-betting, and any weaker hand is probably a fold or a 4-bet bluff. Calling just isn't an attractive option with a hand like AJo or 55 because he gets a bad price and he doesn't close the action. If he calls, he can expect the BU to call the majority of the time and exert positional advantage three way. So, 90% of CO's range is 4-bet or fold.

Once CO folds, BU is stuck with a capped range that doesn't play particularly well postflop for shallow stacks and gets a nasty price to see that flop. Again, providing your squeeze frequency isn't completely out of hand, he must fold >75% of his range typically.
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10-23-2015 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Summoner500
wait , are you saying we should never defend by calling against squeezes? what are you doing with hands like QQ or JJ?
Are you saying that you will limp with JJ or QQ from early position, then call a squeeze with with them?
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10-27-2015 , 09:37 AM
Thoughts on rather having a 4bet defensive strategy vs a sqz? As in more 4bet bluffing then flatting the sqz since most regs sqz very linear (hands like KQ/AJ/KJS etc) that should often fold to a 4bet but have good equity against our 3bet flatting range
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10-27-2015 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by eenvis
Thoughts on rather having a 4bet defensive strategy vs a sqz? As in more 4bet bluffing then flatting the sqz since most regs sqz very linear (hands like KQ/AJ/KJS etc) that should often fold to a 4bet but have good equity against our 3bet flatting range
I think it's a good strategy, especially since V will be OOP and with their range in that spot will most likely fold.
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