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Preflop solved ranges for 9 max no rake, double straddles, button straddles, 3x, 4x? Preflop solved ranges for 9 max no rake, double straddles, button straddles, 3x, 4x?

11-29-2023 , 03:21 AM
I play in full time in Texas where rake is time based. My main game is a 5/5 that typically straddles to 10 and often restraddles to 20, sometimes more. There are 4 other pros who are regulars at this game, though they aren't always present, a handful of recreational players, a few occasional good regs, and on occasion other pros who don't play this particular game as often. Open raises are between 2.5 to 4x, most frequently 3x is the size. Games are 9 handed. Sometimes there are button straddles where button gets ultimate last action or ultimate last unless a 3bet happens, and action starts UTG, skips button and goes to SB.

Because of the number of pros and frequency of 3bet, 4bet pots, having access to solid ranges for this game is important to me.

Does anyone have access to preflop ranges that might be comparable, know where such ranges can be obtained, or know of a way of going about solving preflop?

I don't need something with exactly the same parameters as described. Currently I have GTO Wizard cash and MTTs and study these:

1. 9 max cash ranges, but these are with high rake.

2. 6 max preflop with up to 3x open size, up to 300bb stacks, unraked available. But this is only 6 handed.

3. 6 max with a single straddle and antes, extremely low rake, but also only 6 handed.

4. 9 max preflop MTT chip EV ranges with antes. These seem good because the reflect no rake, but with the antes, I think ranges are a bit wider than they should be.

As an example of my problem, today in a 9 handed 5/5/10 game 2,000 effective, UTG straddles 10, +1 pro opens to 40, +2 rec cold calls, how often should hero in LJ be 3betting 88 in theory? How often should hero cold call 88? Should we ever fold? And I have similar questions to how other medium pairs are supposed to play. And when hero 3bets 88, how do they respond to a 4bet from UTG?

It seems like in unraked tourneys with antes and a smaller open size, 66+ are always continuing with a mix of call and 3bet and frequently 55 is frequently continuing as well. In raked cash games with smaller open sizing, these hands are some mix of fold, call, raise. But here we have no antes, a double straddle, and a 4x open. My intuition is that this spot is closer to the unraked MTT spot, but I don't know if 66+ should be a pure continue in this spot. My past thinking has been that we shouldn't always call pocket pairs when facing an EP open to set mine, but we can't always 3bet them either. I wonder if I have a little distorted view about this though since I have based this understanding from studying solved ranges in raked cash games. Now after studying unraked MTT ranges a bit more, I am second guessing my philosophy and wondering if I have been a bit too tight.

Anyways, I know I covered a lot, but if anyone can offer some advice or point me in a direction, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Preflop solved ranges for 9 max no rake, double straddles, button straddles, 3x, 4x? Quote
11-29-2023 , 10:28 AM
You can use HRC to solve this.
Preflop solved ranges for 9 max no rake, double straddles, button straddles, 3x, 4x? Quote
11-30-2023 , 12:37 AM
I was excited to hear that and downloaded HRC pro. Can I actually set it to include straddles and double straddles though? How?
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12-08-2023 , 03:06 PM
Dude! Like... try googling "Preflop Range 9max"?

When did you grow up?

I guess there is a special "laughter" about this. Or what?
Idc.
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12-08-2023 , 07:02 PM
FWIW, why do you even consider yourself a pro?
Sorry man, you probably have other things under your belt, but maybe
straighten yourself up?
I WAS a pro, and remarkably better prepared than you.
And I failed.
Please fix your stuff first, before you decide to go this route, because
it's way harder than you imagine at first sight.
Far and foremost live.
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03-12-2024 , 11:14 PM
Were you able to figure this out with HRC? I don't play in Texas yet, but want to study these games and situations as well.
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03-13-2024 , 03:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reeflex
Were you able to figure this out with HRC? I don't play in Texas yet, but want to study these games and situations as well.

Straddles and double straddles are both supported in the latest beta:
https://www.holdemresources.net/docs/beta/
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03-15-2024 , 11:18 AM
That is awesome to hear, thanks.
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