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Originally Posted by Leia Amidala
i got a question about snowies call 5bet bvb.
When i let the sb open 3x and the bb 3bets pot and the sb 4bet pot. Then the bb 5bet shoves with: QQ+,AK+
But now snowie lets the sb call the shove with: QQ+,ATo+,A9s. I dont get that. Cause the sb needs to call 14.6 in order to win a pot of 40. So he needs 36.5% equity (actually more because of the rake). But when i fire up equitylab and see what range has this equity against the bb 5bet range i get the same range QQ+,AK+. ATo only has 30% so to me it seems a loosing call.
What am i missing?
You and all the other hands with blatant "errors" are probably missing that snowie is not playing against snowie exactly . I am guessing here but this is how I believe it works
Snowie 1 raises SB with a range it thinks is optimal against ALL the opponent types it has faced in it's training . Lets say it's faced opponents who will shove against any open and also opponents who will fold to any open and every style inbetween. Eventually it has come to an optimal opening range which does best on average against every possible opponent reaction (or as much as the training has allowed ) whilst allowing itself to be as unexploitable as possible
Snowie 2 in the BB faces a 3x open from the SB . It has a 3bet range which it has developed after millions of hands playing against itself and exploitative agents blah blah .
Snowie 1 faces a 3bet and has a sb v bb 4bet range which it has developed after millions of hands ...
Snowie 1 is consistent in that it's opening range will contain hands which it will then fold, call or 4bet against a 3bet . It is balanced in it's own ranges and not responding to snowie 2's exact strategy . Thus you get the gaps like when snowie2 5bet shoves and snowie1 calls off a range that is not optimal against snowie2's range but IS an optimal call off range from it's experience of playing millions of hands and having a open / 4bet range it then has a balanced fold or call range to a 5bet shove
Snowie never openshoves for 20 bb but still snowie will give you a calling range against a 20bb openshove . This tells you that snowie is not exactly playing against snowie it is playing against all the times in the past it has faced a 20bb openshove and what it has decided is an optimal response against that . So when it faces a 5bet shove it's not telling you what the best response is to a snowie 5bet shove but the best response to a 5bet shove it has gathered from it's experience
Last edited by Frogman3; 01-19-2017 at 11:15 PM.