In an online game the Flop is a product of three randomly generated cards as selected by a capable computer. The computer fires off the three cards at some point in space/time immediately after the last person has made their preFlop decision.

It is three handed, the Button has checked and the SB has raised. The action is on me and I fold my J4. The Button calls and the Flop comes 44J.

Instead of cursing Dan Harrington for setting such ridiculously tight standards for calling PreFlop Raises in HOH, I hearken back to rudimentary physics and realize that had I called, the very action of my calling puts us in a different position in space/time and therefore the odds that that exact 44j flop would be generated is (3/50 * 2/49 * 1/48, I think) (Stats is not my strong suit. In fact, I may not have a strong suit). There are very big odds that had I called, the Flop would have been anything OTHER than 44J.

My alternate action virtually assures that the Flop would be different because we are in a different place in space/time and hence the random generator will almost HAVE to select three different cards. I cannot mix and match my action/inaction against this particular flop because each choice changes the outcome.

Ok ???

This is more or less irrelevant to your point, but some sites (I believe party used to) generate all the cards for the entire hand before it's dealt, as if it were a real deck of cards that was shuffled before the hand. So everything you do to influence the precise time & such that the hand starts at affects the deck, but once you have your cards the flop is going to be what it's going to be.

I have experienced a simillar situation, and you're right.
I had Q2o on the BB and folded : the flop came QQ2 with the first player having PP2. Therefore, I called every single hand on the BB and it never happened again. I lost a lot of money over the last year just to prove this theory right.
Holdem2000, you're missing the point : I've just proven that computers control the flop according to what you just folded on the BB. Watch for it, you'll see. Of course if you multitable you'll miss this obvious fact.

lol

I'm going to assume that English is not your primary language as you totally missed the point I was making.

My point was that you cannot believe you missed the QQ2 flop because you folded. Had you called we'd be in a different place in space/time and therefore the Flop would almost certainly be something other than QQ2

no, if i fold Q2 and the flop comes Q22 it is because the Beysian conditional probability P(A given B) of a flop of Q22 flop has increased due to my folding (which is the condition B upon which the beysian conditional probability rests). if i were to fold this condition would not have been fulfilled and thus the beysian distribution of flops based on this conditional probability would not have increased and thus a different flop probably would have eventuated. several papers have found a direct relationship between big blind folds and flopped full houses. it is a very weak relationship for sure but the kurtosis and skewness of the otherwise normal distribution of flops suggests that folding the big blind has a very real effect on the flop. the space/time continuum as u call it IS distorted by our action of folding but in a different manner to the way u envisage. we'd end up at a different space/time by calling but that would be a dimension in which the P(Q22) > P(Q22 for the previous dimension).

wat a waste of my reading time...the computer uses probablilties and combinations that can generate any flop anytime...the same 52 cards are used everytime and they are not just cards pulled from some random space/time bull**** u talk about...thanks for nothing

God, i hope you are not serious.

LOL I have been lurking these forums and some others for some time now, and never have I come across a theory quite like this, I would love to whatch TheBryce/ Hoss_TBF Bill Chen other Game theory afficionados reactions as they read this, Im willing to wager that they would have a dear in the headlights look

FWIW I never read the space/time continuem chapter of either Theory Of Poker or Super System, so you might be on to something

GL flopping your way through dimensions

No, it hasn't - and the rest of your post is so full of misinformation and made up facts it's not even worth a serious rebuttal.

Random will always be random even if you use a diffrent seed (the time) to generate your number.

Link to the papers?

I understand exactly what the OP is talking about but if, as another poster said, the deck is generated before the hand is dealt, it debunks the theory.

That being said, it's still an interesting idea since computers can't actually generate random numbers.

suggested reading; Barry Greenstein "Ace on the river" The section on chaos theory is good.
Also "The Search for Shrodingers Kittens" Or anything that mentions Shrodingers cat. Probably out dated, but still relevant.

GET THE BOOKS AT THE LIBRARY!
sorry Mr 2+2 publisher.

But on a different hand your action could "alter" the time/space continuem to the full house you needed. In fact, I generally consult a time/space continuem flow chart before playing any non-standard hand. Often, I feel if the keyboard is tapped just so, you can coax the RNG through to the perfect dimension.

Is PS a continuous shuffle or is the deck set once the deal begins? Which is better to approximate randomness?