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03-31-2008 , 11:28 PM
Hello guys, i dont post a lot of serious stuff around here, but i'm running through a difficulty situation and maybe someone went through it.

Objectively my game has these leaks/good things, from worst to better

bad:

- I can't play in bankroll, having 5k and playing NL100 really is not a thing that my personality accepts. If i have 5k i can play NL500 AT WORST [i dont want to make this sound right, it's just it and i hope i can do some good things even with this mindset]

- I have no patience and i always think i can outplay my competition

- I don't do table selection at all.

good:

- I know the maths, the theory, the implied pot odds, the leverage

very good:

- i read souls. now the average p2per can tell "ye ok, seen it already, ****off newb. That's probably my best poker skill, and my math / % skills are very good. I hardly fail reads on good players ( 10 20 regulars ) and, always among the 10 20 regulars of the places i play in, i can read betting patterns, tells and whatever. Not like i'm god but i can tell exact cards 30% of the time, and be pretty much sure what kind of hand the oppo has at least 85 to 90% (tptk, pair + flushdraw, or so). I know that many people say they read souls, but since this is not BBV just take it as real and plz believe me, and it's been recognized by the players i face too. (last thing today, flop comes 25k rainbow with 1h, i got 46 no hearts, some betting some raising, 7 of hearts on turn, some betting some calling, 3 of hearts on river, 1/2 pot bet by oppo, i fold throwing a 25 chip to the oppo and saying "double me the a4hearts", i often do this when i play with regs and i bet with odds 1 to 1 (either i win or lose the 25) and they always accept it, and he turns the A4 hearts. Of course this was not a hard read, but that's pretty much my standard soulreading skills. once again, i dont want you to believe, just answer accordingly

Now, when it comes to playing, i crush 5\10 live and 10/20 francs (switzerland!) which is like 6.5/13 euros, but since i dont have a bankroll (been on 10 11k euros tops) i often go busto after 3 AI preflop where i'm 80-20 or AI on flop where i'm 75-25 that i lose.

Internet poker, i really suck and never cashed out

low stakes live, that's just the suck.
i see 2 kinds of probems here:

a)even if i am not rich, 1-2 seems to me like playing "loss of time" money, like doing 50$ a hour in something in which i risk 200$ to start with isnt worth it

b) opposing to the fact that i read souls among "good" players, can be tricky, can make moves and i pretty much never put my money allin when i am behind, i really cant beat the competition of drunken latino immigrants / women / internet players who change their style everytime a new book comes out / old guys telegraphing you their hands with their bettings.

I once again think that it's not because they're better players, but because i keep my mindset on the "be the best among the goods" and not "be the normal among the suckers".

I'd really like some advice from someone who's been through something similar, so that i can build a bankroll able to stand variance and then go play where i read souls and i crush the competition.

thanks for the time and i really hope you can make me have less swongs

[X] post is boring but readers will be kind
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04-01-2008 , 09:14 AM
up :<
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04-01-2008 , 10:16 AM
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I'd really like some advice from someone who's been through something similar, so that i can build a bankroll able to stand variance
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- I can't play in bankroll, having 5k and playing NL100 really is not a thing that my personality accepts. If i have 5k i can play NL500 AT WORST [i dont want to make this sound right, it's just it and i hope i can do some good things even with this mindset]
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- I don't do table selection at all.
So you want a big bankroll that can withstand variance but refuse to use any sort of bankroll roll management or look for soft games? You say yourself you cant beat the suckers at the table. Only answer I see to your question of how to build a bankroll is to get really, really lucky. I'd suggest craps
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04-01-2008 , 10:24 AM
I'd also be willing to bet the things you list in Good and Very Good probably belong in category called something like Only Thinks I Can. When I first started posting and learning i made a thread and said "I know I play to loose preflop but I make up for that with postflop play. why am I losing?" Answer: I was playing to many hands preflop and not making up for in with my post flop play.

ou listed a bunch of things you know you do bad. Admitting you have a problem is the first step of recovery. There is a hard truth that helps a lot of players a lot, and the sooner they do it the better. The things you think you are doing expertly, you really arent, and you certainly arent going to be able to just let your known leaks go, and expect to make up for them with soul reads. Convince yourself you're not as good as you think you are, and fix the holes that you already listed.

Saying you have no bankroll management and dont want to fix it, but then asking how to get a roll big enough to avoid variance is crazy.
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04-01-2008 , 10:35 AM
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really cant beat the competition of drunken latino immigrants / women / internet players who change their style everytime a new book comes out / old guys telegraphing you their hands with their bettings.
drunks == free money, If you cant beat them you are doing something wrong.

Women != bad players. An indication that you are not as good as you think you are.

Internet pros, who change styles and work on their game != bad players.

Old Nits who telegraph their hands == free money. If you cant beat someone who plays with their hands face up, then who can you beat?

You post shows a lack of basic understanding of who you want to be playing and what your goals should be. Good players dont seek out other good players to beat. They seek out the bad ones to take their money. You have several large fundamental errors in how you approach the game and until you fix them you will be fighting an uphill battle
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04-01-2008 , 10:53 AM
i know who i want to play against to make it profitable for me, but i dont have the money to keep up with the average variance.

to the excess, i think i would perform much better at aussie millions cash game than in any florida sucky poker room, talking about win ratio.

[X] of course talking to the excess

maybe my english is not good enough to explain the problem! :<

as you said in your last post i ofcourse have to fix stuff and woul like to know what fixes to do
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04-01-2008 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Saying you have no bankroll management and dont want to fix it, but then asking how to get a roll big enough to avoid variance is crazy.
i want to find a way to fix it, but i would like to avoid playing 1-2. is it any possible?
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04-01-2008 , 10:59 AM
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as you said in your last post i ofcourse have to fix stuff and woul like to know what fixes to do
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- I can't play in bankroll, having 5k and playing NL100 really is not a thing that my personality accepts. If i have 5k i can play NL500 AT WORST [i dont want to make this sound right, it's just it and i hope i can do some good things even with this mindset]

- I have no patience and i always think i can outplay my competition

- I don't do table selection at all.
If I was you I'd start by dropping down and using proper BRM, table select for soft games, and quit thinking I could outplay everyone and work on my game.
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04-01-2008 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
So you want a big bankroll that can withstand variance but refuse to use any sort of bankroll roll management or look for soft games? You say yourself you cant beat the suckers at the table. Only answer I see to your question of how to build a bankroll is to get really, really lucky. I'd suggest craps
Craps is for suckers - takes way too long. You should try roullette - making 36-1 on your money with each spin of the wheel will get a great br in no time!
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