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08-31-2014 , 11:15 AM
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which river scenario never gives u a splitpot nor a win nomatter what the opponent has?

there is just one holdem preflophand that is capable of doing this to you.
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08-31-2014 , 11:49 AM
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which river scenario never gives u a splitpot nor a win nomatter what the opponent has?

there is just one holdem preflophand that is capable of doing this to you.
So basically what river scenario are you always guranteed to loose no matter what villain's hand?

Board: AAAA2
our hand: 22
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08-31-2014 , 11:51 AM
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ah already got it.

72

on 34589 will at best be a split and just if your opponent has 72 as well but that example is more known
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08-31-2014 , 11:56 AM
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i think once in my poker carrer i will have to call with 3-high in the scenario you mentioned just-grinding.

imagine your SB vs BB with 32s and SB c/r the flop you call. than the turn goes check you bet and SB calls and on the river you bluff and he jamms.

K-high doesnt make sense as played or?

so you could call here with 3-high
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08-31-2014 , 05:03 PM
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i think once in my poker carrer i will have to call with 3-high in the scenario you mentioned just-grinding.

imagine your SB vs BB with 32s and SB c/r the flop you call. than the turn goes check you bet and SB calls and on the river you bluff and he jamms.

K-high doesnt make sense as played or?

so you could call here with 3-high
If you have 3 high you have 32 and there is only 1 combination of hands you beat?
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08-31-2014 , 05:20 PM
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ah already got it.

72

on 34589 will at best be a split and just if your opponent has 72 as well but that example is more known
This doesn't meet the criteria (which specifies you can't ever split)
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08-31-2014 , 05:47 PM
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Quote:
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which river scenario never gives u a splitpot nor a win nomatter what the opponent has?

there is just one holdem preflophand that is capable of doing this to you.
Before looking at posts, I'd say:
Spoiler:
22 counterfeited FH with Quads on board
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08-31-2014 , 06:54 PM
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How about this one, what's the worst all-in bad beat scenario? (longest odds for an underdog to win).
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08-31-2014 , 07:21 PM
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ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
1,712,304 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KhKc94.92% 1,612,28726,192
Ks2h5.08% 73,82526,192

this is also funny:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
222215.29% 166,0810
AsKsQhJh84.71% 919,9270
Last edited by LongTimeNoSee; 08-31-2014 at 07:26 PM.
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09-01-2014 , 07:14 PM
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So basically what river scenario are you always guranteed to loose no matter what villain's hand?

Board: AAAA2
our hand: 22
Lots more boards work here, where 22 never wins.
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09-01-2014 , 07:22 PM
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this is also funny:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
222215.29% 166,0810
AsKsQhJh84.71% 919,9270
Not sure why it's funny, as all quads in the hole in Omaha should usually be folded preflop to any significant betting, because they suck.
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09-01-2014 , 07:28 PM
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I'm surprised 2222 wins that often
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09-01-2014 , 10:28 PM
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Lots more boards work here, where 22 never wins.
Yes, there are more boards. Just as long as you understand that "never wins" is not equivalent to "always loses," which is what the OP is really after.

BTW, also sad is the board 22223 with the hand 33, so the 22 hand is not unique for a possible solution.
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09-01-2014 , 11:09 PM
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I couldn't shake a feeling of deja vu, so I did a search and found:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...t-low-1390536/

I was a bigger wise-ass the 1st time. I must be slippin'.
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09-02-2014 , 02:03 PM
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Lots more boards work here, where 22 never wins.
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Yes, there are more boards. Just as long as you understand that "never wins" is not equivalent to "always loses," which is what the OP is really after.
Yes, I understand that. What about boards like KKKK2 QQQQ2 JJJJ2, etc? Your hand of 22 will never win or split against any of those.
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