I think the answer to this is no but ill ask anyway.

Im currently playing off 2 rolls. 1 is my own the other is sponsored. Im doing as well as normal for myself but really bad on the sponsored roll.

Now, I tend to play the first half of the day for myself and the second on the sponsor roll. Playing around 3k hands per day.

So, if I win say 2 bis in the first half of the day, am I mathmatically less likely to make money in the second period? My logic is telling me no but im not sure?

Mathematically? Are you asking whether good luck early turns into bad luck later? No, absolutely not. If you flip a fair coin 7 times and get Heads every time, the eighth flip is still 50-50 to be Heads or Tails. The world doesn't balance these things out except over the very long term.

That said, there may be other reasons why you do worse on your sponsored roll. Perhaps you play best at the start of the day and get tired quickly, or perhaps you play a different style on the sponsored roll. But it if it's all down to luck, your luck will be just as good or bad in the morning as in the afternoon.

yes thankyou thats what I thought, Im sure its just things like fatigue and me not being too comfortable with someonelses money at the moment.

It just seems that every day the morning goes well then i run really bad when i play for them.

If you have enough to play on your own, why do you even have the "sponsor" roll?

If you must use the sponsor roll, it would be more advantageous to both of you if you just combined rolls and played higher and split profits accordingly, amirite?

I got sponsorship because once I pay my expenses each month its hard for me to make any moves up in stakes.

so my roll pays the rent and the second gets me up through the stakes. Adding my whole to theirs has no benefit. Im just given a set amount each day until they decide to move up each level.

I think ill just play with both rolls during each session, 1.2 and 1.2.

How do you decide when you're playing on "his roll" and when you're playing on "your roll" and is he cool with you arbitrarily say "OK, next 2 hours are on your roll and then the 2 after are on mine"? That's really weird and I would not stake anyone under those conditions.

This doesn't make sense to me. Are you playing the same stakes on both rolls, or different?

If you are bankrolled for a game, and you have a positive winrate, you'll make the most money if you keep all your profits. Sharing profits with a sponsor only costs you money.

another big difference between morning and evening is the player pool changes -- you're not playing the same opponents. It might not be simply a question of quality (morning villains are bad a poker), but the style might shift subtly and your game is not as profitable against the kind of player that plays in the afternoon in the UK.

Same stakes on both rolls to some degree although sometimes I play higher on my roll depending on where its at and what my expenses have been. the second isnt a roll as in XX amount. I get a set amount to play stakes im told, after XX hands and they are happy we move up stakes with a larger amount given to me each day. I can only play the aggreed stakes on their roll

Its not really a time of day thing, sometimes I play daytimes, often though my day starts around 5-8pm and I play through the night. In any case, going over my last 200k hands im profitable anytime of the day except wednesday afternoons (gods knows whats up with wednesdays).

Yes, shorterm having a sponsor is costing me money, firstly because im splitting profits but also like now as im stuck for the month for them im basically playing for zero profit on their time. This is why I also need to still play on my roll, I need 100% of those profits to pay my expenses.

But I decided to do it because I just cant make much headyway on my roll with moving up stakes as Its my only source of income (I moved abroad so I can live cheaply) and taking out huge chunks every month hinders my progress. with a sponsored roll and I can move up the stakes until im ready to add the profits from that to my roll and play play higher more comfortably.

Problem is maybe I didnt really appreciate how much hard work it was going to be as im basically having to play twice as much every day as usually. I still have to play my usually 60K hands for myself as im viewing the 2nd roll as just a vehicle to move up stakes. buts basically in working 2 jobs on a 10+ hour a day. Its not ideal but as temporary measure I think it should work fine.

Its weird though, evertime I play for them I seem to run bad yet im playing on much softer sites than on my own money where im doing fine. Maybe its a pyschological thing issue with regard to not being comfortable using someones elses money or putting myself under too much pressure to do well for them. I dont know.

I think the way forward is to play on both roles at the same time in each session.

well they are totally seperate. the sponsors allow me to play on certain sites which are seperate from the sites which my own money is on.

They basically fund the sites each day and then wipe them clean at the end of the day and then fund them again the next day. My money stays on my sites.

I still don't understand how it's helping you move up in stakes. If you were to continue to put in the 10+ hrs per day, but keeping ALL the profits, wouldn't you move up much faster?

im not sure whats really hard to understand. My roll I keep all profits, yes then at the end of each month between 70-100% of profits is withdrawn for living expenses. So at the start of each month I have more or less the same roll. So I dont move up. I have supported myself on a very meagre BR for over 18 months and its just time to make some headway through the stakes.

So Then I have the staked roll, this isnt a dollar amount, each day an amount is given to me to multi table a given stake. When they decide to move me up that amount increases. At some point in the future when im playing at sufficent stake to break away from the sponsor I can add my profits with them to my roll and play purely on my money.


In theory yes, I could just double my hours on my roll and make more money but because my roll is not really big enough to continue to live on I need to grow it, whilst at the same living off it.

But lets say I like 50bis for a stake, I would need to double my current roll to have 50bis at the next level, via staking I dont need to do that, just beat each limit consitently for a given time period to satsify the sponsor. Moving up in stakes with them isnt restricted by any arbituary bankroll figure.

There is also the pressure of the fact that my roll is small and not really sufficent to live off but i have been doing for a long time. the ideal scenario is that I utilise the profits from the staking for living expenses while allowing my roll to grow and not have to make constant withdrawals from it.