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I need tips on bet sizing... I need tips on bet sizing...

02-05-2010 , 04:50 PM
I am wondering if I am doing anything wrong here, or if there is something else i should be aware of.

Typically when I am playing no-limit, I don't put TOO much emphasis on bet sizes. Let me explain:

I know when I should be betting around 1/2 the pot, 2/3 the pot, bet the pot etc, but I rarely ever bet exactly that amount. I bet something similar. For example, if its a situation where I want to bet around half the pot, say the pot is $100, i'll choose to bet something off of that, like $55.

I notice that many online players bet exactly 1/2, or exactly 3/4, etc. Basically, they barely ever vary their bet sizes to something unusual.

I do it to keep opponents guessing and to extract extra value here and there, and to also conserve chips if my hand is vulnerable in some cases.

I want to know if I'm doing something wrong. Or why wouldn't I want to use unusual bet sizes?

Any other comments would be helpful too.
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02-05-2010 , 05:15 PM
There are two "perfect" bet sizes:
- The largest amount villain will call(for value)
- The small amount villain will fold better hands to (bluff/semi-bluff)

Personally, when I'm betting for value, I like to keep my bet sizing to 80%+ of the pot to extract money from people who wont fold worse hands and to make the draw chasers pay to see another card.

Last edited by cfMonster; 02-05-2010 at 05:19 PM. Reason: wasn't done ;]
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02-06-2010 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ungerdogg
I know when I should be betting around 1/2 the pot, 2/3 the pot, bet the pot etc, but I rarely ever bet exactly that amount. I bet something similar. For example, if its a situation where I want to bet around half the pot, say the pot is $100, i'll choose to bet something off of that, like $55.

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I do it to keep opponents guessing and to extract extra value here and there, and to also conserve chips if my hand is vulnerable in some cases.

I want to know if I'm doing something wrong. Or why wouldn't I want to use unusual bet sizes?
If there is some repeating tendency in your betting patterns, then it can be exploited by observant opponent. If you make continuation bet with 55% pot size when flop hits with given board texture and with 48% pot size when misses, you might as well value bet 2x pot/check vs. observant opponent. If however you adjust your bet size totally randomly, you cannot be exploited, but I don't see any gains compared to fixed sizes. You already keep your opponents guessing, if you bet with balanced range.
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02-06-2010 , 12:33 PM
For the love of god don't vary your bet sizes based on your hand value against observant opponents. You CAN (and should) vary your bet sizes based on board texture, stack to pot ratio, and the number of opponents in the pot with you.
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02-06-2010 , 03:15 PM
The above post is correct for observant opponents. Of course, you should be varying your bet sizes against unobservant opponents.
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02-06-2010 , 05:37 PM
I always feel there is another component to sizing that many players don't account for, basically I call it 'What the Market Will Bear'

I notice, no matter what limit I play, be it 1/2NL or 5/10NL that every table has its own sorta bet/raise levels.

Sometimes, the 3 x BB raise works like gang busters and other times the table regards a 3 x BB raise as a min raise and everyone calls. Sometimes $30 is an easy call but $35 makes the table fold.

So, there will be many times where I will raise way more than the pot simply because the table will bear it, no problem.

For instance, I'm playing 2/5NL and effective stacks are $1K, and I'm dealt pocket pair. 3 players limp in before it gets to me, at this hypothetical table I know if I raise $25 I'll get called by 3-4 villians, but if I make it $50 about 2 will call and if I make it $75 everyone but KK+ will fold.

So, I will raise according to the desired result based on what the table will bear. Oftentimes this has nothing to do with the conventional 1/3pot 1/2 pot etc. norm.

Also, when I know a donk-player is drawing, they will often pay WAY MORE than the typical pot odds because they think in terms of their stack size and not so much the pot.

WHen I know a donk is drawing to a flush, I will often bet double or even triple the pot size if I know he will pay it to draw. So in the same scenario above, lets say there is $100 on the pot come the turn, and the donk checks, I will bet $200. Most donks just look at their stacks and if the bet is a small to medium percentage of their stack (in this case 20%) they often call without even really thinking about it.

Just thought I'd add another dimension to the 'sizing' discussion. I call it, 'What the Market Will Bear'.
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02-06-2010 , 05:42 PM
...and in the same vein as the post above, a lot of times (in live games, basically) the value of the bet is of more importance than the actually percentage. Even though the pot might be huge by the river, the fact that you're betting $500 of real money may accomplish the what you want even though the pot is 2k+.
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02-06-2010 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32
...and in the same vein as the post above, a lot of times (in live games, basically) the value of the bet is of more importance than the actually percentage. Even though the pot might be huge by the river, the fact that you're betting $500 of real money may accomplish the what you want even though the pot is 2k+.
This works sooooo well against scared money and short stackers that try their damnedest not to shove when they should have shoved flop/turn.

Also, bets like this are great 'blocking bets' when something scary hits on the river.
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02-08-2010 , 10:58 PM
u bet 2 infrequently and u take too long to do it in relation to your other actions

select the bet. breathe in. breathe out. enter it. always.

dont fiddle with the clicker. dont think about another size. just enter it.

your ability to select the bet will improve with time. fiddling with bet sizes will not help you in this regard.
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