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I am very confused whether to use GTO in low stakes games I am very confused whether to use GTO in low stakes games

08-03-2022 , 11:20 PM
I am very addicted to study poker theory.

But it always fails when used in low stakes game.

I don't know how to adjust it.

Is it to keep to the strategy or "focus value and no BLUFFS" ?

example:

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $10.00 (100 bb)
MP: $13.02 (130 bb)
CO: $26.03 (260 bb)
BU: $13.63 (136 bb)
SB: $10.81 (108 bb)
BB (Hero): $10.77 (108 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J 9
3 players fold, BTN raises to $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55) 7 T 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.74, Hero raises to $1.53, BTN calls $0.79

Turn: ($3.61) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.38, BTN calls $2.38

River: ($8.37) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.54, BB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $8.37 (Rake: $0.41)
BU wins $7.96



Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $10.72 (107 bb)
MP: $29.03 (290 bb)
CO: $10.34 (103 bb)
BU: $18.73 (187 bb)
SB: $20.10 (201 bb)
BB: $10.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 5 5
Hero raises to $0.22, 4 players fold, BB 3-bets to $1.10, Hero calls $0.88

Flop: ($2.25) 3 2 K (2 players)
BB bets $0.74, Hero calls $0.74

Turn: ($3.73) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.46, BB calls $2.46

River: ($8.65) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.42 (all-in), BB calls $5.70 (all-in)

Total pot: $20.05 (Rake: $1)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows 5 5 (a pair of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 55%, Flop: 11%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB shows K A (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 45%, Flop: 89%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BB wins $19.05

Hope someone can give me advice.
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08-04-2022 , 04:32 AM
If you like studying theory, then stick to learning GTO approach. But remember that solves differ a lot if you give them diffrent parameters. Ranges, sizing. So you need study very complex and deep.

First hand might be like 7% raise vs 75psb. Vs overbet I dont think it will ever raise.

Second hand at this rake shouldnt be opened 100% of the time. You also should not call all PP vs 3bet. Esp. In this formation where your pool 3bet very low in compare to GTO.
This board hits 3bettor very well, it should be suspicious to you that he checks flop.
Hand selection to bluff is propably ok. But again its not 100% freq. BB 3bet contains less PP<K that SB 3bet, so he dont have much natural XCalls.
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08-04-2022 , 05:51 AM
It's something I've thought a lot about too, and concluded I should make big bluffs in spots where it's +EV (like villain is air-heavy and will overfold), or when balance is important because the villain could realistically think I'm underbluffing and make big hero folds. But not to do bluffs that feel spewy even if they are sometimes used in GTO but 0 or low EV where I expect to get called a lot and they are only there for balance.

But it's still good to be aware of the second type of bluffs for if you move up stakes and have to start using them.
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08-04-2022 , 07:02 AM
GTO is GIGO, except in situations where you have a large enough and reliable enough data set on the proclivities of EACH AND EVERY ONE of your opponents. It's useless when you can't accurately evaluate your opposition. I can see it being useful in, say, home games where the "gang" is always the same.

I do realize that GTO is very very very very very popular with young Turks who, having grown up with the interblab, think that everything can be quantified. But poker still contains far too much in the way of "people skills" for anyone to be able to say, "Hmmm, his range is blah blah and he tends to 3-bet light on odd-numbered days and I hold the 9 of clubs and the Cubs lost yesterday. THEREFORE..."

GIGO.
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08-04-2022 , 09:44 AM
The very question shows a wrong framing of the issue.
You should learn as much poker theory as you can
You should make the most profitable play possible every single time
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08-04-2022 , 12:15 PM
The point of GTO is that it can not be exploited and it will, in the long-term, turn a profit against anyone playing non-GTO. However, if your opponents are making mistakes away from GTO, you can always make more profit by deviating from GTO to exploit their mistakes. This deviation is (by definition) a GTO-mistake which could be counter exploited, so you have to know that your opponent really is making mistakes and not just an odd short-term fluctuation. This usually isn't too hard to know. Also, don't over-exploit since that will force your opponent to correct his mistakes.

But you should know what the correct GTO play is before you start moving away from it for exploitation purposes.
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08-06-2022 , 04:32 AM
Attack when they are weak, give up when they are strong. In your 2 examples you're doing the exact opposite. You're attacking a flop overbet and you're attacking a BB vs UTG 3bet pot. You're not going to have much success with bluffing in nodes where 99% of the population is too value heavy.

Where are they weak then? Generally in delayed lines. You will do very well at low stakes if you follow the mantra of overly respecting aggression and relentlessly attacking passivity.
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08-06-2022 , 07:49 AM
i think something that you might be running into is playing a strategy that could be above your opponents, and people don't recognize the strength behind some of your plays and just button click around..
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09-02-2022 , 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kukrapok
Second hand at this rake shouldnt be opened 100% of the time.
FWIW, at least in my older database (680k hands played in 2020 and 2021), all small pocket pairs showed profit in all positions between NL5 and NL20. I don't really care what solvers say, when reality shows profit.
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