Hi guys. Could some players tell me what is a good guideline for fold2steal on my NL10 micros? in BB and SB. I always thought BB> around 60 and SB> around 85-90? and both around 70?

Function of sizing... In BB vs SB node if you're folding >50% it's big leak though since 90%+ of rfi from SB is 3.0bb sizing.

For BB vs BT/CO/MP/EP depends on sizing and those varies a lot

thank you for your answer. i see in bb vs sb i follow about 53 percent of the cases. in bb vs btn 62 percent of the cases.

So it looks like there is a leak in bb vs sb.

Had reconsidered the game and looked in the last 10k hands.

Do you still have a rough value for the general value fold2steal?

Function of RFI %, sizing, and rake.

Assuming ~40% BT RFI and rake equal to 5% with 2bb cap, then vs. the following sizes you would have the following folding frequencies for BB vs BT:

2.0: ~38.5%

2.2: ~51.7%

2.5: ~59.3%

3.0: ~68.0%

~ = +/- like 2% depending on allowed 3b/4b/5b sizings, etc.

First of all, thank you very much for your effort and your answer. That you are also giving me this help free of charge.

Did I understand you correctly that if the BTN has 40 percent RFI with 2bb open raise. That I have to defend my blind against it here on NL10 with the rake OOP about 62 percent of the time? Or have I misunderstood?

Isn't that even a self-exploit like for someone who is even weaker postflop and even weaker oop? Is it not profitable to simply fold?

Wouldn't this strategy apply more to BB vs SB since we are IP?

My post was very specific. It stated the RFI and the rake structure. Regardless, though, vs. a 2bb open you would defend >50% of hands at equilibrium.

If you think your rake is higher than what I stated or that you may not be able to profitably play with some of the hands that would be in this range, then by all means simply fold.

Your calculations will be correct. I'm just surprised. Most micro regs players, even those with reasonably standard stats, all have far too high a fold2steal value. Just like me.

I am currently playing ACR.

Don't be surprised, be happy!

You are right.

The only interesting thing is that Blackrain79, who beat the micros quite well, recommends a fold2steal value of 70%.

Perhaps that is enough evidence to not take him too seriously then, eh?

Well, I don't think you should directly believe everything that is written anywhere anyway, it has to be well justified and you have done that.

I will try to defend my blinds more but not go all out and look slowly. Thank you for your help. If I have any more questions I will come back to you.

Yes. If possible every statement should be backed up with data; otherwise the person talking is just speaking heresy.

Generally speaking, when I review BB defense with students I recommend being slightly tighter than the equilibrium outputs specifically in BB vs IP RFI and even more specifically against 2.0bb opens. There are some exploits to be done, however, and many situations exist in which you may want to deviate the opposite direction--defending wider.

I also find it useful to at least take a look at the EVs from preflop sims with regards to these outputs so that one may better understand the hierarchy of the hand classes and identify which ones are closest to 0 EV as these are typically the hand class you'd be deviating with in one direction or another.

I'll leave you with some HRC outputs for your and others' personal review:

vs BTN 2.0bb



vs BTN 2.0bb EV matrix for calling



vs BTN 2.2bb



vs BTN 2.2bb EV matrix for calling



vs BTN 2.5bb



vs BTN 2.5bb EV matrix for calling



vs BTN 3.0bb



vs BTN 3.0bb EV matrix for calling

From my coaching experience, I do find that micros players that are too tight end up doing well. But the reason isn't that it's an optimal way to play, more so that they're not good enough to play the proper range and they end up being better off avoiding marginal spots.

I'd say if you want to get good, you have to get out there and learn the marginal spots, no way around it. But it could be tough at first

That is micro advice where you can pretty much ignore blind defense by calling if you want and still be succesful in 2NL at least.

I forgot to thank you @Brokenstars
Thank you very much!

I have another question. I have now tried to defend my blinds several times and just list the statistics for the individual foldtosteal values.

The statistics refer to the last 24k hands.

BB Fold to Steal: 58
BB Fold to SB Steal: 49
BB Fold to BTN Steal: 56
BB Fold to CO Steal: 72

SB Fold to Steal: 88
SB Fold to BTN Steal: 87
SB Fold to CO Steal: 90

Results in a value of Foldtosteal: 72

My question is.
Is that still far too tight? There was talk of 70 foldtosteal not being so good. Or is it good if you include CO and of course not without CO?

You're welcome.

1. Function of RFI sizing
2. Okay in high rake environment, but you can defend wider
3. Function of RFI sizing
4. Function of RFI sizing

5. IDK
6. Slightly high, okay. SB 3b vs BTN is ~14-16% depending on RFI from btn, sizing, rake, etc.
7. Basically same as (6.), fine