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06-19-2010 , 12:14 PM
Hi when we are playing in a Cash game and lets say we ae raising in CO and BB calls at the HUD we can se that he folds to CB 60% so if he checks the flop and we bet it is going to be +ev? Often i do this that i look at the stats and se how often the guy folds to cb and it is often so that it is +ev ofc it is some flops that are better to cb then othee ones. I think this is the reason why my cb is ~80%?.

So I need some help to get it down i sometimes find myself check back flops that i hit some part of but not big like T8 on 8-k-A so if i raise BTN BB calls
i will just check back things that i did hit on that flopp like A low kicker 8x K low kicker and CB JT and bluffs.

also a flop like A72 i do check and not cb if i have Ax but i would cb with all my bluffs.

I think i have a had time just look at a flop and say i give up i can just say that if i have some SD value and i do often call a tun bet so i just give up on a cbet not the hand.

also i do sometimes play in games where the avg stack size is smaller (the 20-50bbs games at stars) do you guys think that you should cb moe at thoose games beacuse playes ae going to play more straight forward and also 3bet good hands PF like AQ AJ KQs moe often.

How much do the cbet game change in those games if you compar to 100bbs games.


so i ealy need some help in my cb game thanks guys
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06-19-2010 , 02:16 PM
The fact that someone folds 60% of the time to a continuation bet does not mean you should always do it. I think your logic is, "If the pot is $1,000 and I bet $1,000 and he folds, I make $1,000, if he calls or raises I'm at worst out $1,000; if I win $1,000 60% of the time and lose less than $1,000 the other 40%, I'm ahead."

The problem is you would have won a lot of those 60% anyway, and you might have been able to win more than $1,000. Some of those 40% you could have saved yourself some money.

Betting T8 on an 8-K-A flop is a bluff, not a continuation bet.

You make a continuation bet when you were the preflop aggressor and either you hit the flop or it's likely no one hit the flop. It's a strong play that you should make almost all the time when the situation arises. You could even do it all the time, it gives no extra information to the other players. I just think in general it's good to vary play.

The reason to make the bet is to collect the pot when neither of you hit the flop, and to get some calls when you do hit it; and to collect information about the other player's hand.

For example, suppose you hold AQo. 32% of the flops have an A or Q, on most of these you're pretty sure you're ahead. 36% have no card higher than T, on most of these you're pretty sure the other guy didn't hit it. Even if he hit his kicker, he may well fold to a continuation bet. 31% have at least one K or J with no A or Q, on these you're likely behind.

So 68% of the time (not exactly 68% because it depends on straight and flush possibilities, and the preflop betting, and the other player, and your reads) you make the bet. Most players will fold about two thirds of the time, and you pick up the pot easily. If the other player calls, you usually have a decent draw, maybe a 25% chance or better. That's not too bad since you put up $1,000 for a $3,000 pot.

If you get raised, you have to make a decision. You will sometimes have bet into a set or other top hand; you will also get tested sometimes by good players with nothing.

If you check instead of making a continuation bet, you have to expect a raise, and you'll usually fold. It's not smart to contest things often when you missed the flop and the other guy probably hit it. You do it once in a while to protect yourself only.

Stack sizes are not critical here. Even if you want to stack the other guy, checking is not the best way to do it. Since people make continuation bets with weak hands, it shouldn't scare anyone; also check/calling or check/raising is much stronger than making the c-bet. If you're afraid of being stacked, make the c-bet and fold to a reraise, find out early and cheaply that the other guy has the nuts.
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