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08-14-2010 , 06:54 PM

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halftilt

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Originally Posted by teikchip

Ok thanks hafltit, I have one more question for you guys. Lets assume that we have three different tables, one is 9max, one is 6max, and the last is heads up (actual players don't have to be sitting at these tables). Lets also assume that the hands in these three tables are always dealt face up. Now we make a note of what specific hands were dealt at each table and record this data. If we were to repeat this process 1 million times, at which table would we see AA pop up more frequently?

My guess would be the 9max table.

ldo. Each additional hand we deal is another chance for AA to come up.

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08-14-2010 , 07:14 PM

#27

teikchip

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I used my hypothetical experiment to argue that fullring should not bet approached the same as 6max after the first 3 players fold.

And sorry for the typo on your name halftilt lol.

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08-14-2010 , 09:19 PM

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GalacticRewind

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Originally Posted by teikchip

But really, if what you guys say is true, then the chances of AA vs. KK preflop should be the same for 9max, 6max, and heads up?

AA vs KK chance is greatest in 9max. After 3 players fold 9max, then AA vs KK is equal in 6max and 9max. After 7 fold in 9max and 4 fold in 6max, then AA vs KK is equal in HU and 6max and 9max.

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Originally Posted by halftilt

No. The chance of AA is the same in both cases before the folds. But given that it's folded around to him, his chance of having AA changes. Card removal effects.

I have not taken card removal effects into consideration; however, from what I understand of the topic, this has very little impact on the results. I have read the introduction and conclusion to one or two large articles or posts about it, and sorta skipped all the hard stuff in between and decided to just believe the math wizards.

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08-17-2010 , 08:52 AM

#29

gerryq

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Card removal can't have any significant effect on this question. It does mean that players in a FR game where EP players have folded will be expected to have slightly stronger hands than in a 6-max... but surely this should make them more aggressive, not less! So not only is card removal a small effect, it goes in the opposite direction to the phenomenon we are trying to explain, i.e. the extra aggressiveness of 6-max.

I think it is mainly down to typical table culture.

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08-17-2010 , 10:58 AM

#30

Seven7s

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1) There are a few reasons why FR plays tighter. FR attracts the type of regulars who want to play tight, they do a ton of tables and generally auto pilot. This factor then makes it hard for them to improve their game so they avoid a lot of marginal/tough spots.

2) Reason why good players profit more in 6 max is because ranges are wider, and good players can exploit opponents in more thin situations.

3) You play the blinds as often in FR as 6max relative to your opponents therefore you don't save money or anything by playing FR over 6 max.

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05-17-2011 , 10:23 AM

#31

NvrDwn

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 22

this thread looks dead but i have to ad this when i see the arguement of eleven flips

in a 9 handed game what are the odds of 7 people all holding pocket pairs or top range hands

in a 6 handed game what are the odds of 7 people all holding pocket pairs or top range hands

both of you are making different arguements and that is where the disagreeing is coming from

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