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07-13-2009 , 04:20 PM

paul rizzo

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Is limping ever correct in ur guys minds in 6max cash games? I know that u usally be better raising bc of fold equity and having the iniative in the hand. Based on my experience open limping is never right. What about a situation where there are donk limpers and there not the passive kind, they love to limp/call here so w decent hands like SC's are you better limping and hoping to hit a big flop? Also how about if your EP in a aggressive game filled w bad players. Hows the theorem that your better off limping bc if u raise and get 3bet you can't profitable set mine but if you limp you can call a raise profitable set mining?

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07-13-2009 , 04:31 PM

breathweapon

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Originally Posted by paul rizzo

Limping behind is acceptable, if you're button/blinds squeeze your isolation raises or the limper is a calling station, but if you're button/blinds are passive or your limper limp/folds or call/folds than raise all day.

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07-14-2009 , 08:10 AM

z0dia@c

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When you raise pre against donks their tendencies to fold on the flop are much bigger. If I have two or more limpers at my table I will raise almost any hand from the button, c-bet the flop for a decnt amount (3/4 pot) and pick up the pot.

If i get played back at I know I'm beat an d I let go. Limpers don't ever adjust to your play so the money you make when they call your preflop raises everytime outwheighs the money you loose when they flop something. Also, when the limpers DO have a hand you'l know because they'll reraise you. Otherwise you're always playing clueless after the flop ...

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07-15-2009 , 05:33 AM

drifter265

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Like said, limping behind is okay but its better to open with a raise.

And I don't know if I would want to play out of position with bad players. Could get crazy.

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07-15-2009 , 05:53 AM

vezj420

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i sometimes like to overlimp in late position with weak drawing hands (i.e. 34s, 57s, etc.)

ofc, this just begs for one of the blinds to squeeze pre (depends on limits, obv), but I don't mind sometimes overcalling the squeeze raise if at least one other player goes to the flop. It's a sweetened pot and u're IP with a drawer.

open limps from EP should only be used rarely and perhaps with some reverse psych purpose. For example, open limping AA/KK UTG and hoping for someone to squeeze/raise behind has been quite profitable for me. I'm still in the micros though, so I dunno if ppl see thru this at higher limits.

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07-16-2009 , 03:30 AM

Never Win

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Solution: limp every hand and they will not know what you are holding. This is one of the best strategies for NL... you can thank me later..

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07-16-2009 , 06:10 AM

jeccross

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Originally Posted by vezj420

psych purpose. For example, open limping AA/KK UTG and hoping for someone to squeeze/raise behind has been quite profitable for me.

Thi is a pretty horrible play v anyone capable of thinking. You might as well turn your hand face up. If you're deep and get called you can gurantee you either take it down on the flop, or you're behind when the money goes is v a good player.

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07-16-2009 , 03:09 PM

vezj420

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Originally Posted by jeccross

i agree, but i did say it was the micros.

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07-16-2009 , 03:17 PM

_UM

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Originally Posted by Never Win

Solution: limp every hand and they will not know what you are holding. This is one of the best strategies for NL... you can thank me later..

I see where your handle came from

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07-16-2009 , 04:30 PM

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pokerdad26

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I throw in the occasional limp from up front with a varied range of cards and balance it wit 3betting after the raise.
Optimally you should never be open limping but sometimes you can use it if you have enough history with a certain villain that it can be profitable to put him in a spot to squeeze. Open limp-3betting almost puts your hand face up but if you mix it up it can be a decent line occasionally.

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