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11-21-2009 , 01:41 AM

Dire

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I thought this was quite an interesting position. Definitely one Silman would love to have his way with. It's white to move and make a move. This isn't black and white but there is definitely a key and thematic point here that any idea needs to deal with.

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11-21-2009 , 03:09 PM

Uitje

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11-21-2009 , 04:25 PM

swingdoc

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I agree

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11-21-2009 , 07:21 PM

All-inMcLovin

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I concur.

It was the first move/idea that popped into my head.

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11-21-2009 , 07:52 PM

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11-22-2009 , 12:34 AM

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11-22-2009 , 03:33 AM

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Bc4!? is the idea I also liked. I sometimes find moves like this difficult since if black exchanges you break up your pawn structure, give yourself a weakness on c4 and let black get his majority rolling more quickly when the time comes. But none of that really compares to how quickly Bc4 makes white's position come to life. The knight finds a great home on d5, the b file can suddenly be used as a potential weapon for your rook, and your dark bishop is suddenly looking really great down the long dark diagonal coordinating really well with Nd5 to almost entirely paralyze black's kingside pawns as you get ready to advance your majority.

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11-22-2009 , 03:54 AM

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11-22-2009 , 06:21 AM

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White has three moves to chose from:

A. Bc4
B. Nd5
C. g3

1. Bc4 is certainly the first move to come to mind, but what if black plays 1...Be8? Then we can follow up with 2. Nd5, but black has 2...Bd6 and will play b5 next.

Another idea is to just take on c4. It goes 1.Bc4 Bxc4 2. bxc4 Nc6 3.Nd5 Bd6 with the idea Be5 and Nd4. White has an outpost on d5, but black gets one on d4.

White looks better in the starting position, but it is exactly the type of position that Kramnik and Petrosian have slowly equalized with black many times.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1431087

That game doesn't exactly resemble the structure, but it shows that outposts and piece play means nothing, if you don't have anything to attack.

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11-22-2009 , 06:47 AM

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11-22-2009 , 03:05 PM

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ToTheDeath

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I think you're right heron. Black's position is very solid and will be tough to break down regardless of white's optical advantage.

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12-03-2009 , 01:13 PM

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My first thought was e5 ...fxe5 Ne4, but ...Nc6 gives black advantage

I'd play Nd5 and if ...Bd6 I'd play g3 with an equal game. Tactics are my strong point. In this position, I try not to make a weakening move.

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12-03-2009 , 07:20 PM

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Paymenoworlater

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1.Bc4 is not very convincing, so I think I prefer 1.Nd5 Bd6 2.Bc4 claiming a small edge after 2-Nc6 3.Ne7+ , 2-b5 3.Nb6+ followed by Bxf7 and Nd5 or 2-Ne6 3.a4!?

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12-04-2009 , 06:48 AM

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whiskeytown

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I still like Bc4 - if he declines the trade, wouldn't Bd5, while a good square for the knight, be better then the knight? - it would paralyze black's knight against the back of the board while better positioning the bishop and white's knight can eventually find another home probably on the queenside if need be

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12-04-2009 , 08:41 PM

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How about h4 with the simple idea of h5-h6? If he plays h5 to stop, then you could consider g4 and playing with the kingside majority. If he lets you go to h5, then stops you with h6, you could then try g4+Bc4, getting in a more advantageous good vs bad bishop situation.

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12-05-2009 , 03:51 AM

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DON CASTI

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Nobody cares about those weak pawns after Bxc4??
What's wrong with just developing the pieces, like Be2 follow by Rd1?

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12-05-2009 , 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DON CASTI

Nobody cares about those weak pawns after Bxc4??
What's wrong with just developing the pieces, like Be2 follow by Rd1?

This is really the heart of this position. The key thing in this position is white's light bishop. It's really bad. And after 1. Be2 Nc6 suddenly it's not going to be easy for white to ever really fix it. In fact, black can continue to play the ending with nothing but the goal of continuing to make white's bishop bad. For example: 1. Be2 Nc6 2. Rd1 Rd8 3. f4 Rxd1+ 4. Nxd1 Nb4 and already the initiative and the edge has 100% passed to black and white's light bishop will continue to be a weak and almost purely defensive piece.

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12-05-2009 , 07:40 AM

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Also, after examining the position a bit more closely I also agree that 1. Nd5!? is probably the better way to fight for the edge. And that's one hell of a move. If I only saw that before posting this!

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12-06-2009 , 06:43 AM

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Heron

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Originally Posted by Punker

After 1.h4 h5 2.g4? hxg4 3.fxg4 Nc6 or Bd6 Black is a bit better because of the isolated e-pawn.

I would not play 1...h5 though, because I think white's plan is not good. So I prefer 1...Nc6 2.h5 Bd6 putting two pieces on better squares while white still cannot carry out his "threat" h6 because of Bf4+. After 3.Kb1 h6 4.g4 Rd8 Black has a nice position with his firm grip on the dark squares and that weak pawn f3 to attack later on. White is in difficulties, i.e. 5.Be2 Be5 6.Rd1 Nd4 and black rules.

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