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10-10-2013 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ajmargarine
No. Aaron and a baseball are different things or forms. But, as you've heard, by "him" all things consist so, ultimately, they originated from the same Source tho.
Are cats and dogs different forms?

What does it mean for something to "consist"? In normal English, we say things "consist of" something. We don't use the verb "to consist" without an object.
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10-10-2013 , 04:12 PM
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The "status" essence of (whatever), ultimately, is that it is a filament of the One, a spark from the Divine Fire, a drop of the Ocean, etc etc etc
Capitalizing words doesn't magically give them deep meaning.
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10-10-2013 , 04:12 PM
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Are cats and dogs different forms?
On some levels. But then, you go up the filament a bit and, oh, they're both animals. Go up the filament some more and oh, they both carry Life. etc.

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10-10-2013 , 04:16 PM
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Capitalizing words doesn't magically give them deep meaning.
Because the word "God" carries so much baggage, sometimes different words are used to describe Source and capital letters are used to let the reader know that this is a reference to the Nameless One. It's a fairly common literary device.
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10-10-2013 , 05:38 PM
I have no idea why you felt that sentence deserved PMing me with speculations about my "deficiencies".
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10-10-2013 , 06:37 PM
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On some levels. But then, you go up the filament a bit and, oh, they're both animals. Go up the filament some more and oh, they both carry Life. etc.
Where is "God" in this filament?
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10-10-2013 , 06:46 PM
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Capitalizing words doesn't magically give them deep meaning.
thats where You are Wrong!
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10-10-2013 , 09:34 PM
zzzzzzzzzz, Aaron. Post 39 said what it said. Something in there either struck a chord within you or not.
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10-10-2013 , 09:39 PM
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I have no idea why you felt that sentence deserved PMing me with speculations about my "deficiencies".
Didn't want to derail the thread. And I said, a "belief in a deficiency about yourself" which is a "lie". Here's my pm to you, sent because you've been irritated with this caps thing a few times over the last few years:

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Capitalizing words doesn't magically give them deep meaning.
iirc, you've been beating that drum for a long time. And it's such a silly thing. I'd be interested to hear what you find out if you ever chose to go below the surface and examine it. It's likely, at it's source, some belief in a deficiency about yourself that manifests in that form of irritation. Find the lie and bring it to the Light of your awareness and you'll be free from it. My two cents.
Ask yourself why does this bug me and see where it leads.

PS. I might be remembering wrong and it wasn't you who has brought this capital letter thing up in the past to me. If so, my apologies.

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10-10-2013 , 10:45 PM
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zzzzzzzzzz, Aaron. Post 39 said what it said.
Right. But what did you mean by it? Clearly, you used the words in a manner that was inconsistent with orthodoxy. So you meant something else. That's what I'm trying to discover.

Ultimately, I'm curious about your "beget" line.

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2. Do horses beget crows? Do cats give birth to dogs? So, child of God, what did your Father beget? God begets gods.
What does it mean that God "begat" us as humans? Or did he not beget us as humans, but instead as something else, and we just happen to be inhabiting human bodies? And no matter how you parse that one, does it make equal sense to say that God begat dogs?

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Something in there either struck a chord within you or not.
If it doesn't strike a chord, what does that mean?
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10-10-2013 , 11:43 PM
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Or did he not beget us as humans, but instead as something else, and we just happen to be inhabiting human bodies?
This. The eternal, essential "you" is a child of the One Source. That essence--the kingdom of God within you, the Christ in you, the Spirit in you, etc--is encased in a human body made by, and in the image of, the demiurge Jehovah and his archon/elohim minions; who are gods below the One God.

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10-10-2013 , 11:56 PM
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This. The eternal, essential "you" is a child of the One Source. That essence--the kingdom of God within you, the Christ in you, the Spirit in you, etc--is encased in a human body made by, and in the image of, the demiurge Jehovah and his archon/elohim minions; who are gods below the One God.
Okay. Does such a thing exist in dogs?
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10-11-2013 , 12:12 AM
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Okay. Does such a thing exist in dogs?
*shrug* idk
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10-11-2013 , 12:48 AM
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*shrug* idk
How have you concluded that such a thing exists in humans?
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10-11-2013 , 01:18 AM
gnosis
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10-11-2013 , 01:25 AM
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gnosis
So by picking a Greek word that means "knowledge" (and usually a general form of knowledge), you hope to communicate what?
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10-11-2013 , 01:39 AM
To your mind? Nothing.
Google 'achieve gnosis' or something like that. Something might strike a chord in you.
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10-11-2013 , 01:39 AM
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So by picking a Greek word that means "knowledge" (and usually a general form of knowledge), you hope to communicate what?
Probably that he isn't interested in talking to you.
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10-11-2013 , 01:44 AM
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To your mind? Nothing.
Google 'achieve gnosis' or something like that. Something might strike a chord in you.
That's the second time you've talked about "striking a chord." What happens if none of this strikes a chord?
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10-11-2013 , 01:45 AM
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Probably that he isn't interested in talking to you.
I would presume that if that's true, he'd just stop talking.
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10-11-2013 , 02:02 AM
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So by picking a Greek word that means "knowledge" (and usually a general form of knowledge), you hope to communicate what?
I shy away from using the term gnosis due to its ambiguity. But it is used within the confines of Christian Mysticism with a different connotation than general knowledge. Cherry picking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosis#Greek_Orthodox
Gnosis in Greek Orthodox thought is the spiritual knowledge of a saint (one who has obtained theosis)[26] or mystically enlightened human being. Within the cultures of the term's provenance (Byzantine and Hellenic) Gnosis was a knowledge or insight into the infinite, divine and uncreated in all and above all,[27] rather than knowledge strictly into the finite, natural or material world.[28] Gnosis is a transcendental as well as mature understanding.[29] It indicates direct spiritual experiential knowledge[30] and intuitive knowledge, mystic rather than that from rational or reasoned thinking. Gnosis itself is obtained through understanding at which one can arrive via inner experience or contemplation such as an internal epiphany of intuition and external epiphany such as the Theophany.

In the Eastern Orthodox Philokalia it was emphasized that such knowledge is not secret knowledge but rather a maturing, transcendent form of knowledge derived from contemplation (theoria resulting from practice of hesychasm), since knowledge cannot truly be derived from knowledge but rather knowledge can only be derived from theoria (to witness, see (vision) or experience).[31] Knowledge thus plays an important role in relation to theosis (deification/personal relationship with God) and theoria (revelation of the divine, vision of God).[32] Gnosis, as the proper use of the noetic faculty plays an important role in Eastern Orthodox theology. Its importance in the economy of salvation is discussed periodically in the Philokalia where as direct, personal knowledge of God (noesis; see also Noema) it is distinguished from ordinary epistemological knowledge (episteme—i.e., speculative philosophy).
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10-11-2013 , 02:09 AM
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That's the second time you've talked about "striking a chord." What happens if none of this strikes a chord?
Practice something like this: Still the mind. Rest in the silence. Discover the kingdom of God within you. The Truth is within you (not your body, it's within the essential you). So, when truth is encountered without, it resonates within, and you are, sometimes, because of your practice, in a state to notice the chord struck; to hear the still, small voice. Be still and know.
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10-11-2013 , 02:18 AM
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I shy away from using the term gnosis due to its ambiguity.
Yeah. I know it has various mystical interpretations as well. It can mean something as plain as knowledge of the supernatural (as in your first one), but it can also mean something more like an experiential knowledge or a secret knowledge that is only revealed to certain people who attain certain states of consciousness (or something like that). Quoting scripture makes him sound like a Christian gnostic, but it's possible that he's a more general mystic that's just using the Bible as one of many sources.

My hope was that aj would specify his usage of the term. But it seems he doesn't want to.

Edit: Definitely seems like a Christian gnostic now.
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10-11-2013 , 02:24 AM
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Practice something like this: Still the mind. Rest in the silence. Discover the kingdom of God within you. The Truth is within you (not your body, it's within the essential you). So, when truth is encountered without, it resonates within, and you are, sometimes, because of your practice, in a state to notice the chord struck; to hear the still, small voice. Be still and know.
As is often the case with most mystics trying to explain this, most of this doesn't mean anything to me. But at the least, this seems to show me that you're using gnosis as an experiential knowledge. So going back a bit...

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The eternal, essential "you" is a child of the One Source. That essence--the kingdom of God within you, the Christ in you, the Spirit in you, etc--is encased in a human body made by, and in the image of, the demiurge Jehovah and his archon/elohim minions; who are gods below the One God.
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How have you concluded that such a thing exists in humans?
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So you know that it's in *YOU* through gnosis. Your experience shows you that there's this essential "you" inside of your human body. How do you know there's one in mine?
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10-11-2013 , 03:04 AM
Aaron, are you content with your view on reality?
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