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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
Or perhaps it could start "There is thinking, ...", something even neeeel could start to get behind?!
The reason Descartes has been criticized is because you can't really claim there is "thought" just because you appear to be thinking. The argument is similar to the fatalist view that there is no free will and you just act out what you are programmed to do with the illusion of choice. As for Descartes, you could assume that you are processing information when in fact you are just passively observing what appears to be the processing of information.
I don't buy that entirely, since at the very least there would have to be "observation" in this paradigm, which is why i say that we know that there is something, whether thought, or observation, or awareness, or even an illusion.
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
You seem to have a particularly restrictive view on knowledge, one might even say excessively restrictive, since you seem to require certainty. Would you be comfortable starting with the Primacy of Existence as a bedrock, and build knowledge from there e.g. existence -> awareness, awareness -> perception / thoughts , perception / thoughts -> reasoning, or something like that?
The word "knowledge" by definition is restrictive, since without certainty you cannot know. That doesn't mean you can't build a foundation on deductive reasoning which accurately depicts the world. Philosophically speaking however, where there is room for doubt, there cannot be certainty, and without certainty there is no knowledge.
How can you know that your thoughts, perceptions and reasoning are sound? You can deduce that after trial and error things appear to work in a certain way, but you can't know if that way actually portrays reality or not. Since our perceived reality seems to obey certain laws, we can presume what reality is, but only because the doubt that remains does not hinder our thoughts or actions, but it would be an error to conclude that we know.
If you can prove that you know something, I'm all for it, I'm not trying to be a truth-bully...
Here is a question I remember from an epistemology book -
"John's watch stopped working at exactly 11:00:00 PM. Coincidentally, John happens to only look at his watch everyday at exactly 11:00:00 PM. Does John KNOW that it is 11:00 PM?
I always liked that as it bring up a good question of reality and perception. What does it mean to actually know something? We are possibly looking at reality through our broken watch and we may in fact be right, but to say that we know we are right is highly presumptuous.
Just one opinion of many, this is obviously not the only way to think about reality, but it is my personal preference.