serious reply in case not a level - of course atheists can pretend to be a christian. Many, if not most (at least in the US), were Christians for a large part of their lives. They've walked the walk and talked the talk.

And many do all the time. Believe it or not, we're not interesting in discussing faith everytime we meet a new believer. Often, its easier just to nod your head and pretend that there's nothing weird when the stranger is talking to you about god stuff.

I suspect it would be harder for many Christians to fake being an atheism because they simply do not understand the logic. This is demonstrated on a daily basis on this forum.

I have no doubt a Christian might try it. Just not sure why they would have to in the real world. One of the advantages of being in the majority is you don't really have to worry about fitting in with the minority.

you probably think this is a level because you have a different definition of a christian than me.

and whats your definition?

and how would one distinguish a christian vs non-christian on a message board?

probably true. Mine is a strange one where it is people who believe in the Judeo Christian God and, more specifically, believe that Jesus was the son of god who sacrificed himself for the forgiveness of everyone's sins.

I wouldn't even go that far. There have been Christians like the Ebionites who thought Jesus was the natural son of Mary and Joseph.

that may be the case, but I think mine describes the commonly accepted use of the term Christian.

I must admit that I'm looking forward to his definition. Nothing I find more fascinating then seeing Christians telling other Christians that they're not really Christians.

No yours is definitely the common one. Just saying.

I have a felling it has something to do with Romans 10:9 and being able to tell a true born again from a false one by their godly imparted holy spirit.

I like the ones given by the likes of Pletho... if they believe what i believe they're the real deal. Anyone else is a faker. It has the faith based reasoning so popular and with such inconsistant results that I find amusing.

facepalm, ebionites were early jews that didnt want to accept the facts but too scared to totally reject it. but if it makes you feel better, believe what you want.

someone that puts christ (his doctrines, teachings, etc) ahead of all in his life

message board, irl, etc, it does not matter. an infallible way of distinguishing a christian is if he is christ like.

that means uncompromising, easily spotting false teachings by other 'christians', not afraid of persecutions (in the case of 2p2, atheists/others talking ****), adamant about his faith, and pointing out anything by fellow christians that is not totally aligned to bible teachings.

there are many 'christians' on this board that post things just to post things, or mixing personal opinions with doctrines and creating their own ideas, and then believing those ideas are truth. this leave themselves in the open to be shot down, and is why christianity is a joke today.

No facepalm. We just have a different definition of Christians. I consider the Judaizers Christians. They followed Christs.

Now if you want to say they dont count, ok i understand. But form that one post of yours i dont think i could of called many Christian groups Christians without getting your facepalm. Your new so i could be wrong.

imho, rize is just a vulnerable and confused person like we all are, except he takes it to a higher degree.

pletho is just very adamant about his faith, takes pride in his faith like myself, and has very poor communication skills (probably barely passed his GED)

Yes I agree, people having and creating ideas is the reason why christianity is a joke.

Awesome, more ad hominems by the people that accuse me of ad homineming

I accept you Stu :hug:

this is the stuff I love. On the one hand we have Christians telling the non believers how to know the truth one must simply read the Bible. Its plain as day. Then we regularly have one group of Christians telling other Christians how what they're saying is not aligned with the Bible. The ideas they believe are truth is clearly wrong cause... you know, they understand it right and others don't. THEY'RE the ones who have it right, all the other Christians are wrong. The Christians all agree that the Muslims have it wrong. But dig deeper and they also think all the other Christians who have differing interpretations are wrong. (some don't even consider them Christians.. cause THEY'RE the real Christians.) Pletho may say fishee has got it all wrong. Fishee laughs at Pletho. Jib is on a completely different page then either of them. And yet we're told just read the Bible and we'll have the truth. Yet each of these guys might accuse the others of teaching things "not aligned with the bible." The rest of us can just scratch our heads.

sounds like the humility and non judgemental personality we would expect from someone trying to be Christlike.

you like pointing out the disagreements among christians, but you stay clear of the true word of god...
because ultimately, it gives you an excuse to be immersed in sinful nature. christians are not free of sinful nature, but are in a process of being freed of that sinful nature.



well take it anyway you want, but you do indeed know that people have different ways of proving a point. and you do know about ad hominems and correlation does not equal causation, etc.

Stu is great, level or no level.

I agree - one of those posters I always read, no matter how uninteresting the thread.

what makes you think I steer clear of the Koran?

lol Please don't make assumptions about people you don't know. It simple makes your arguments more laughable. The only sin you can be sure of that would make me any more sinful in your eyes then other Christians is that I don't worship your invisible man. You assuming the motives of others based on your own prejudices just makes it more laughable that you present yourself as a Christian. You're judgemental and criticizing people you don't even know. You're a prime candidate for making baby jesus cry.

I take it simply as you're an arrogant person who condescends about non-believers and self professed Christians who have different interpretations then you. You try to tell everyone that you're a real Christian and then proceed to act very un-Christlike. I think its great! Carry on.

Also- you don't really seem to know how to prove a point because you've offered nothing other then telling others of your superiourity and making judgements about complete strangers motivations with no evidence. You're only persuading the forum that you're not to be taken seriously and that you don't come across as a person trying to emulate Christ.

more people are going to agree with you, i don't doubt that. they see things from your point of view. but you are being hypocritical, by that i mean you are being more "subjective" than me. i have nothing against any human being. i used to be prejudice against religion, especially christianity, and many other types of people.

regarding the personal forms of expression, i'm human. what do you suppose christ would be like in this forum? christ would be flamed just as bad as any other christian, if not worse. i'm not free of sin. like i said, i'm in the process of being rid of that sinful nature. if it happens in the blink of an eye, that would mean i would turn into a different human being in the blink of an eye.

I don't think I'm being hypocritical. Because I'm not claiming to be Christlike and then doing the opposite like you are. I'm also not sure how you determine that I'm being more subjective then you. Its not clear what you mean nor how you're making that determination.

If he existed and was here, I doubt he'd be making comments about people not having completed their GED. He probably wouldn't come across nearly as condescending as you do (to atheists and other believers alike).

Christians aren't flamed. I suppose he might have your self persecution complex?!? And I doubt he'd get it worse since he'd probably be more logical then the people who do get flamed (that is, the people who get flamed are not flamed because they are Christian... note Bunny and Aaron W don't really get flamed and they are believers) and he'd come across as a caring figure and not condescending like many Christians here.

What's more interesting is that Christ would likely be flamed more by other Christians who would call him a false Christian. There is no doubt that most Christians would interpret the Bible differently then he does (which is why there's thousands of flavors of Judeo Christian religion) and tell him he is wrong. (read Pletho, NR, etc.)

perhaps you're not far enough along so that one couldn't see any difference between you and an atheist pretending he's a Christian?

i dont believe you, when you tell us about yourself becoming psychiatrist in OOT.

your posts are in between childish ( like quote and post "i said that first" in a 50 post thread) and plain unintelligent (in theory-forum, shortsighted and plain posts without investing 1 second of thinking or simply lack of use of your prefrontal-cortex)

Splendour has, on at least one confirmed occasion (TooTroll2no was her alter ego) made an alt account. Even had discussions/posted support for herself in threads on SMP before RGT. I would not be shocked to hear that it sill goes on. Likely more careful with the login/logout button. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/47...erated-270689/ is when she finally got busted doing it but it had been going on for a while at that point. Not exactly a level but in the same vein...

You don't think the mods are capable of running confirmations on accounts?

They can.

Oh and I would never have been busted if I hadn't of decided to come clean.

It was an attempt at a joke.

Do you know anybody's true identity on here?

Probably a lot of people run more stuff on here than I ever tried.

A lot of the people on here now have new avatar names because of the hacking and you think this is the time to bring up old history?

Let the mods do their jobs. It's not your job to draw false conclusions then post on it.