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Would low IQ people be morally lost without religion? Would low IQ people be morally lost without religion?

01-08-2013 , 06:48 PM
A pretty high percentage of atheists say that it can be rationalize the moral axiomas of society, but how about the low IQ people (that represent a pretty high percentage of the worlds population). The incapacity of deeper rationalizing makes them morally better with religion in average?

What's your opinion?

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01-08-2013 , 06:55 PM
I know quite a few stupid atheists, and they get along just fine morally. I'm not sure it matters that much tbh. That's not to say there's not an effect (there surely is), I'm just not sure how much it matters.
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01-08-2013 , 06:57 PM
I know quite a few stupid theists, and they need some help morally
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01-08-2013 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I know quite a few stupid theists, and they need some help morally
Touché.
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01-08-2013 , 07:02 PM
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
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01-08-2013 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Doesn't that say exactly the opposite?
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01-08-2013 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32
Doesn't that say exactly the opposite?
people might think theyre wise with their high IQs
it doesnt mean a thing though and they actually become blinded because of it
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01-08-2013 , 07:12 PM
it doesn't exactly say the opposite, it's more like it dipustes the premise of the thread title, which implies that it's the unintelligent uniquely who would be lost without religion.

But from a Christian perspective intelligence (or education, or knowledge generally) is certainly not equated with moral righteousness or moral capacity in any way.
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01-08-2013 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jeflax
A pretty high percentage of atheists say that it can be rationalize the moral axiomas of society, but how about the low IQ people (that represent a pretty high percentage of the worlds population). The incapacity of deeper rationalizing makes them morally better with religion in average?

What's your opinion?

Morality has more to do with being made of the right stuff than IQ. Why do you presume that people with low IQs are predisposed to being less moral ?
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01-08-2013 , 09:12 PM
Mmm first, what do you mean with
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
being made of the right stuff
genetics?
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01-08-2013 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jeflax
A pretty high percentage of atheists say that it can be rationalize the moral axiomas of society, but how about the low IQ people (that represent a pretty high percentage of the worlds population). The incapacity of deeper rationalizing makes them morally better with religion in average?

What's your opinion?
Depends on the "religion" and depends on what metrics are used for deciding which is "better".
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01-08-2013 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc
Morality has more to do with being made of the right stuff than IQ. Why do you presume that people with low IQs are predisposed to being less moral ?
Low IQ correlates with criminality.
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01-08-2013 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jeflax
but how about the low IQ people (that represent a pretty high percentage of the worlds population)
Umm, pretty near exactly 50% if by low you mean under 100.
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01-09-2013 , 04:31 AM
I think most morality is based around empathy. Intelligence (beyond a certain minimum) is not needed for feeling empathy.

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Originally Posted by Mr Beer
Low IQ correlates with criminality.
Low IQ correlates with low income. Low income correlates with criminality.
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01-09-2013 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Low IQ correlates with low income. Low income correlates with criminality.
Yep, also low IQ correlates with religiosity.

Stupidity and religion are co-morbid afflictions increasing the danger of criminality. I agree these factors can be treated with education to some extent.
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01-09-2013 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
people might think theyre wise with their high IQs
it doesnt mean a thing though and they actually become blinded because of it
Agreed. It's much better to be stupid. God made clever people to test your faith.
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01-09-2013 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
Agreed. It's much better to be stupid. God made clever people to test the faith.
fyp

I would actually agree with that.
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01-09-2013 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jeflax
A pretty high percentage of atheists say that it can be rationalize the moral axiomas of society, but how about the low IQ people (that represent a pretty high percentage of the worlds population). The incapacity of deeper rationalizing makes them morally better with religion in average?

What's your opinion?
How high a percentage are low IQ people again?
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01-09-2013 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by fretelöo
fyp

I would actually agree with that.
For the record, I'm not one of those Atheists who believes that you have to be stupid to believe in a god. There is a corellation between religiosity and low intelligence but IMO it's only because the unintelligent (and the ignorant) tend not to question the accepted beliefs as much. Intelligence and religiosity are not mutually exclusive as much as some people would like to think so.

The phrase 'ignorance is bliss' exists for a reason though.
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01-09-2013 , 12:18 PM
gjgf

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01-09-2013 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dereds
How high a percentage are low IQ people again?
Well, if we just go down one standart deviation on the mean, we find people with IQs of 85 and less. That represent 15.8% of the population if the distribution fits a normal type. That's a little more than 1 billion people.

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01-09-2013 , 12:35 PM
okay so now you've cleared that up

Now are you also kamitis?

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01-09-2013 , 12:41 PM
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okay so now you've cleared that up

Now are you also kamatis?
What is a kamatis?
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01-09-2013 , 12:49 PM
Kamitis is another poster who similarly posts threads that may be better thought out.
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01-09-2013 , 12:58 PM
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Kamitis is another poster who similarly posts threads that may be better thought out.
Pink unicorn guy,yes i have read some of his threads
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