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Will future generations look back and wonder why atheists weren't more active? Will future generations look back and wonder why atheists weren't more active?

09-27-2009 , 09:21 PM
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Our theory of gravity has been tested and has given incorrect predictions in certain parts/scales of our universe. Common descent has also been tested. The ERV video which I know you've seen is one example. That example alone is extremely strong evidence.
I am not saying that there is not strong evidence for common descent, I am saying that the evidence for gravity vastly out weighs the evidence for common descent and that it is not even close.

Could you even think of a single piece of evidence strengthen the theory of gravity on earth?
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09-27-2009 , 09:30 PM
this whole discussion of gravity vs evolution is so lol; both are facts - we fall and we evolve, enough already
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09-27-2009 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
I am not saying that there is not strong evidence for common descent, I am saying that the evidence for gravity vastly out weighs the evidence for common descent and that it is not even close.
We have empirical evidence that contradict the predictions made by our theory of gravity. In other words we have evidence that our current model of gravity is wrong. AFAIK, there exists no contradicting evidence for common descent. Instead what we have is supporting evidence from a multitude of independent disciplines. This is why the theory of common descent is stronger than any universal model of gravity.

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
Could you even think of a single piece of evidence strengthen the theory of gravity on earth?
Discovery of the graviton, direct evidence of gravitational waves, direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy, reconciling general relatively with quantum physics to produce a self-consistent theory (quantum gravity). These are some pieces that come to mind that would help us strengthen our universal model of gravity which would strengthen our theory of gravity on earth by definition.
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09-28-2009 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
We're talking at cross purposes then because your worldview is shaped more by evolution and mine isn't. Mine is shaped by personal experience, the bible, world history, observation of human behavior, philosophy/ethics and legal studies . You think evolution validates your worldview. I think history validates my worldview though technically faith needs no validation.

I think education and skepticism can be a stumbling block to faith. It doesn't have to be but sometimes it puts a lot of baggage in the way when you consider matters of faith. I was lucky I never had to overcome that baggage. I think life circumstances led me into faith as a natural progression/path.
Wow I can't believe you are smart enough to admit this but dumb enough to believe the fairy tales. WOW. (no offense)
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09-29-2009 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
Do you even understand the point that I was making?
Yes, and my post explained that common decent can be and has been observed and tested in many different ways, I even provided the observations of common descent for you. Genetics, phylogenetic trees, observed homology based off both observed data in the natural world and in artificial selection. The evidence for common descent is extremely strong. Ilovepoker is correct in pointing out that currently our theory of gravity is wrong. The observation of gravity is not wrong. This is why scientists are attempting to resolve gravity's theory with quantum mechanics.

If you still hold after seeing the evidence I presented to you, in the forms that I listed above that Common descent is not as observable as the theory of gravity. Then you are just ignoring the evidence which I presented to you and you seem oblivious to the fact that our current theory of gravity is wrong. Which further weakens your ignorant position.

I don't mean to be terse but your stance of gravity being more evidenced than common descent is as naive as it is imperious. FWIW, belief in evolution/common descent does not in any way disproof Christianity in any way. Philo in the first century worked that one out.

The point you were making spurious at best, arrogant at worst.
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09-29-2009 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Tao1
I presume that is the 'guided' evolution concept?Yes...ever wondered why that is? We arent that much different, rats and us...and, you probably guessed it, thats because of common ancestry.

I didnt see anything in that passage that related to anything even remotely in line with the thread, perhaps show/explain it to me?
I just came across this passage in the New Testament. Its in addition to the one in Jude I quoted above.

Bible CEV edition

Titus 3 part of verse 8 and verse 9

I want you to insist that the people follow them, so that all who have faith in God will be sure to do good deeds. 9But don't have anything to do with stupid arguments about ancestors. And stay away from disagreements and quarrels about the Law of Moses. Such arguments are useless and senseless.

(Just as a note people like to insist Christ came to "fulfill the law" as if to insist we should be following the 613 mitzvot in Leviticus but Ephesians says:

United by Christ

11Don't forget that you are Gentiles. In fact, you used to be called "uncircumcised" by those who take pride in being circumcised. 12At that time you did not know about Christ. You were foreigners to the people of Israel, and you had no part in the promises that God had made to them. You were living in this world without hope and without God, 13and you were far from God. But Christ offered his life's blood as a sacrifice and brought you near God.
14Christ has made peace between Jews and Gentiles, and he has united us by breaking down the wall of hatred that separated us. Christ gave his own body 15to destroy the Law of Moses with all its rules and commands. He even brought Jews and Gentiles together as though we were only one person, when he united us in peace. 16On the cross Christ did away with our hatred for each other. He also made peace [b] between us and God by uniting Jews and Gentiles in one body. 17Christ came and preached peace to you Gentiles, who were far from God, and peace to us Jews, who were near God. 18And because of Christ, all of us can come to the Father by the same Spirit. 19You Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens with everyone else who belongs to the family of God. 20You are like a building with the apostles and prophets as the foundation and with Christ as the most important stone. 21Christ is the one who holds the building together and makes it grow into a holy temple for the Lord. 22And you are part of that building Christ has built as a place for God's own Spirit to live.)
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09-29-2009 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Eddi
this whole discussion of gravity vs evolution is so lol; both are facts - we fall and we evolve, enough already
Yes but which one is facter because we might be able to score a theological point!
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09-29-2009 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I just came across this passage in the New Testament. Its in addition to the one in Jude I quoted above.

Bible CEV edition

Titus 3 part of verse 8 and verse 9

I want you to insist that the people follow them, so that all who have faith in God will be sure to do good deeds. 9But don't have anything to do with stupid arguments about ancestors. And stay away from disagreements and quarrels about the Law of Moses. Such arguments are useless and senseless.

(Just as a note people like to insist Christ came to "fulfill the law" as if to insist we should be following the 613 mitzvot in Leviticus but Ephesians says:

United by Christ

11Don't forget that you are Gentiles. In fact, you used to be called "uncircumcised" by those who take pride in being circumcised. 12At that time you did not know about Christ. You were foreigners to the people of Israel, and you had no part in the promises that God had made to them. You were living in this world without hope and without God, 13and you were far from God. But Christ offered his life's blood as a sacrifice and brought you near God.
14Christ has made peace between Jews and Gentiles, and he has united us by breaking down the wall of hatred that separated us. Christ gave his own body 15to destroy the Law of Moses with all its rules and commands. He even brought Jews and Gentiles together as though we were only one person, when he united us in peace. 16On the cross Christ did away with our hatred for each other. He also made peace [b] between us and God by uniting Jews and Gentiles in one body. 17Christ came and preached peace to you Gentiles, who were far from God, and peace to us Jews, who were near God. 18And because of Christ, all of us can come to the Father by the same Spirit. 19You Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens with everyone else who belongs to the family of God. 20You are like a building with the apostles and prophets as the foundation and with Christ as the most important stone. 21Christ is the one who holds the building together and makes it grow into a holy temple for the Lord. 22And you are part of that building Christ has built as a place for God's own Spirit to live.)
Splendour, all you do is quote websites, books, bibles, etc. Do you have any views of your own? Or do you willingly and happily take others views and call them your own because they can back them up while you, apparently, not only cannot back up your views, but assert any.

edit: I would not be surprised if you pasted a link in reply to this such as "www.whyidonthavetosaywhatithinkandcanc/pothersviews.com"
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